Another Remington recall

I know I have never been happier with a semi shotgun than I am with a 60's model 1100. Dad bought a 3" mag vent rib 1100 somewhere in the early to late 80s and it was IMO nowhere near the gun mine was.

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Originally Posted by excal-rookie

I picked one of these up as my first shotgun 3 years ago - huge mistake. Within around 4 boxes of ammo through it I started having all sorts of issues - constant stovepipe and jams on follow up shots being the worst, due to the cheap metal plate that closed off the ejector port behind the shortened bolt becoming derailed due to shotty materials. I sent a "strongly worded" email to Remington stating my concerns with the safety of the gun let alone it's inability to perform in the field, and told them I wanted an upgrade to the next model free of charge. They put me on the list to receive a brand new 870 Wingmaster once they completed the next production run - took about 5 months but I received it. Everyone I spoke to at Remington acknowledged the fact that the 887 was a highly inferior product, and I received no resistance when I asked for an upgrade. Definitely was a good learning experience in act of purchasing quality tools. Was impressed with Remington's customer service for sure.

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Hey Excal-rookie, you must be mistaken. The Remington 887 is "the most durable and reliable shotgun ever built". Ever. It says so on Remington's website :silly:

"Pump Action Model 887™

Born of gunmaking expertise that brought you the best-selling, most trusted shotgun of all time – the Model 870™ – the new Model 887™ Nitro Mag is an armor-clad warrior here to carry the torch of our great pump-gun legacy through the most extreme conditions on earth. The most durable and reliable shotgun ever built, it has no external surfaces to rust. Our exclusive ArmorLokt™ construction process seals the receiver and barrel in a vault of weather-impervious synthetic armor that's both rustproof and tough as nails."

Anyone that thinks an express is anywhere near the quality of a wingmaster is sadly mistaken, I have owned both. Not even close, I currently have a S&W model 2000 pump, its a beautiful pump gun as well.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Remington's reputation keeps taking hits, which is too bad because they do make good products.

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Yep,just like GM. :fish: Sorry welsh,I couldn't resist. LOL

The Norinco 870 clones are better built than the real deal now a days. That.... Is sad.

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Originally Posted by welsh

LOL no kidding ... I was thinking just the other day that the 870 Express has "MBA" written all over it: "leverage the reputation of the Wingmaster brand," etc. Could make an interesting case study: I'd argue the attempt to capitalize on the Wingmaster brand has damaged it.

Remington has had a number of these nasty issues over the past few years. There are others out there making cheap guns without the recalls ... Mossberg makes cheap shotguns but we don't hear about these issues. I think Remington's problems go deeper than the simple consequences of reducing costs.

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Absolutely, its at the point now where if it says Remington in the ad when looking on CGN I just skip over it. I've got a Remington hat that Im worried might even jam on me.

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Originally Posted by ninepointer

Hey Excal-rookie, you must be mistaken. The Remington 887 is "the most durable and reliable shotgun ever built". Ever. It says so on Remington's website :silly:

"Pump Action Model 887™

Born of gunmaking expertise that brought you the best-selling, most trusted shotgun of all time – the Model 870™ – the new Model 887™ Nitro Mag is an armor-clad warrior here to carry the torch of our great pump-gun legacy through the most extreme conditions on earth. The most durable and reliable shotgun ever built, it has no external surfaces to rust. Our exclusive ArmorLokt™ construction process seals the receiver and barrel in a vault of weather-impervious synthetic armor that's both rustproof and tough as nails."

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If they put as much stock in developing the firearm rather than that marketing spew, I may still be shooting one lol. Definitely managed to pull the wool over my eyes - lesson learned. At least now I am shooting a Wingmaster, definitely no complaints on that front.

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Originally Posted by excal-rookie

At least now I am shooting a Wingmaster, definitely no complaints on that front.

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I have owned a few wingmasters and a couple Express versions. Loved the wingmasters and know the present owners will never part with them. if someone gave me an Express it would be sold off before sundown.

I think the main trouble is Remington saw other value priced manufacturers taking more market share, and decided they needed to get involved.

They however waded in to the production side with the idea that they could build the gun the same way, but either use cheaper production methods, or cheaper materials. This is obviously having disastrous results.

Unlike Savage, Mossberg etc, who designed their guns, triggers, and actions around the production methods.

It's the same as the Russians. Take an idea, build it the way you can making use of available resources with outstanding results ( T34 tank, SKS, AK47). They didn't look at a complex idea like a Panzer tank and attempt to build it on their assembly lines.

Sadly, this is contributing to the overall degradation of the brand, and there's not too many who view it in the way it was 20 years ago.

Even my 1st new gun purchase in 1997, was an 870 Express in 20g. It felt cheap back then, and the wood was crummy. I'd hate to see what they're doing with them now.

We bought an 887 NitroMag for my 17yr old son a couple of years ago. It jammed so bad at the trap range that we couldn't fix it. The whole bolt came off the rails. Sent it back INSISTING that they not send us another POS 887, but perhaps an 870.

Well a couple of weeks later we had a nice 870. "Tested and proven for years". My son proudly took it back to the range and within a few shots it JAMMED. Jammed so bad we had to disassemble it. No, I'm not kidding!

I sure felt stupid having extolled the virtues of the venerable 870 upon him.....only to have it break in the first five minutes. Out of the dozens of firearms I've had, I've only needed warranty service 4 times. Each time was for each of the 4 Remingtons I've owned.

I will NEVER buy another Remington. EVER.