Open Carry in the Bush

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Originally Posted by Iggy

Hey HA

No thanks, I'm against it, for a few reasons, first of all, I don't like handguns, if you need protection in the Ontario bush, carry a rifle or a shotgun. Truthfully there is very little you need to worry about in Ontario and Quebec. I've watched may times when bear baiters went to their barrels with only a stick or an axe.
Handguns end up in the wrong peoples hands and are used by gangbangers as some sort of status symbol and the more there are around, the more they get.
We have a huge issue right now in Ottawa with handguns and it would be worse if more people had them.

This is just my opinion, but IMHO, hunters don't need anything to do with handguns

Ig

By the way, they make a very short 30.30 rifle called a Trapper model and it is exactly for that, trappers

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Is this warren kinsella in disguise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsgTR_o97p0

I would also like to suggest maybe a max of 3 guns. A 22 rim, 1 shotgun and 1 big game rifle. No reason to own more then 3 guns.

Their much to dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Iggy

Hey HA

No thanks, I'm against it, for a few reasons, first of all, I don't like handguns, if you need protection in the Ontario bush, carry a rifle or a shotgun. Truthfully there is very little you need to worry about in Ontario and Quebec. I've watched may times when bear baiters went to their barrels with only a stick or an axe.
Handguns end up in the wrong peoples hands and are used by gangbangers as some sort of status symbol and the more there are around, the more they get.
We have a huge issue right now in Ottawa with handguns and it would be worse if more people had them.

This is just my opinion, but IMHO, hunters don't need anything to do with handguns

Ig

By the way, they make a very short 30.30 rifle called a Trapper model and it is exactly for that, trappers

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Originally Posted by Iggy

Hey HA

No thanks, I'm against it, for a few reasons, first of all, I don't like handguns, if you need protection in the Ontario bush, carry a rifle or a shotgun. Truthfully there is very little you need to worry about in Ontario and Quebec. I've watched may times when bear baiters went to their barrels with only a stick or an axe.
Handguns end up in the wrong peoples hands and are used by gangbangers as some sort of status symbol and the more there are around, the more they get.
We have a huge issue right now in Ottawa with handguns and it would be worse if more people had them.

This is just my opinion, but IMHO, hunters don't need anything to do with handguns

Ig

By the way, they make a very short 30.30 rifle called a Trapper model and it is exactly for that, trappers

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Agreed, the only people who should have hand guns are those in uniform. The reason being is that those individuals go through extensive testing and training, and are also monitored constantly by their peers. Whereas Joe Q Public has no effective monitoring, if you doubt the effect of this just take a walk through any crown land in WMU 87 on a long weekend. On one occasion I counted over 100 rounds going off and heard rounds zip past me, later I found empty 223 boxes. Those individuals showed an absolute lack of self discipline which would only be compounded with the addition of hand guns to the mix.

As a former resident of the UK I can say that we in Canada have the best hunting opportunities I have seen, the hunting in Europe is a pay-per-use system only for the rich. We as hunters must maintain a level of respect and defence against that type of system (ie anti hunters). As part of that, being able to compromise and quietly go about our business will help ensure the longevity of the sport.

Just my 2 cents.

This was mentioned in another thread already.

1. The website is slightly slick, but actually says very little.

2. There are no identifiable persons affiliated with this group, no directors, etc. There are no organizations that have even lent their public support to this organization.

3. Other than a vague promise that "once they raise $150K they will get the ball rolling", there is very little substance by way of strategy, planning or anything quantifiable except for an idea that wilderness carry is good, and they want it.

IMHO, this is a splitting of the pie with Firearms support in this country. If people wish to donate to push the wilderness carry agenda, they should be joining the NFA, and then speaking to the people there, and making it a priority.

Well I can assure you yes most handgun owners who are hunters or non members of uniform are not monitored...but practice the same amount of dicipline etc as those in uniform. Currently there is no point in owning a handgun unless you belong to a range and I know alot of men in blue that prob shouldnt be aloud to carry or fire a handgun. As for your reference to careless shooting it is not really relevant as you described events that took place from a rifle not a handgun. Why should any responsible handgun or any gun for that matter be penalized based on stereotypical conclusions of others. Just because you ahve a handgun does not mean you are a gangbanger. I own handguns which I frequently take to the range as there is no other place to use them legally in canada...i do not use one for home defense nor do I carry one for protection, but I have passed all my required courses I take all of the proper legal steps necessary to storing and owning them, so as a responsible handgun owner and hunter why wouldnt you be in support of expanding the laws as to where you can use what you are legally able to posess.............Also just my opinion, but if the law is going to allow me more then why would I want less!!

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Originally Posted by Marker

Agreed, the only people who should have hand guns are those in uniform. The reason being is that those individuals go through extensive testing and training, and are also monitored constantly by their peers. Whereas Joe Q Public has no effective monitoring, if you doubt the effect of this just take a walk through any crown land in WMU 87 on a long weekend. On one occasion I counted over 100 rounds going off and heard rounds zip past me, later I found empty 223 boxes. Those individuals showed an absolute lack of self discipline which would only be compounded with the addition of hand guns to the mix.

As a former resident of the UK I can say that we in Canada have the best hunting opportunities I have seen, the hunting in Europe is a pay-per-use system only for the rich. We as hunters must maintain a level of respect and defence against that type of system (ie anti hunters). As part of that, being able to compromise and quietly go about our business will help ensure the longevity of the sport.

Just my 2 cents.

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Are those in uniform even required to have a PAL/POL?

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Originally Posted by mox72

Are those in uniform even required to have a PAL/POL?

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No....unless they own other firearms other than their duty weapon.

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Originally Posted by mox72

Are those in uniform even required to have a PAL/POL?

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Rick's right.

Neither LEO, nor CF are required to have POL / PAL / RPAL. The weapon is considered part of the issued equipment, and specific training for each is provided.

I find myself in the agreeable position of agreeing with all of you except iggy,which is not unusual as I dont think I have ever agreed with one single thing he has ever said.

I have always supported CC by properly trained individuals.There is no reason why a trapper,prospector, or any number of outdoor users should not have the use of handguns.I keep my avatar around the cabin to give me a heads up on bears.But I,am not to sure if he would stand to a bear or run for the hills.I would probably feel a lot more comfortable with a 40 cal Glock.

I have nothing against LEO'S and I am not trying to start a poop storm so please bear with me. When I took the RPAL course in the spring, both instructors are retired police officers and they told us that most LEO'S are only trained on their service firearms. They said that by the end of the RPAL course we would have more knowledge then most LEO'S about firearms in general (just by taking the required courses to be a firearm owner)