Outfitters Moose Tag Allocation Artifcle

Just bear & deer

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Originally Posted by chris lavoie

Those outfitters were there for decades before the roads were built!! The millions of dollars spent on their properties should give them a voice.

They had tags allocated to them YEARS BEFORE access was built!!!!

Something does need to be done about all the easterners tripping all over each other just North of here though while moose hunting. It was ridiculous!!!! I heard many were quite rude to each other.

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We have been hunting wmu 03 for 20 years but skipped last year because of the tags reduction, where were the easterners tripping over each other? in wmu 05 or wmu 03 ? Heard there was lots of hunters the first week in 03

Isaw very few hunters in zone 5 but there were more in zones 4 and 3 than other years. Zone 16a was over loaded with hunters and very few moose.

The man in charge for the MNR is Greg Lucking. His number is 705-755-1573 and his email is greg [email protected].

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Also don't forget the number of moose that the "first nations " take , if there was only some way of getting them to report their kills.

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The 2 Aboriginal groups in Mattawa Ontario were awarded 75 and 30 tags total for the area 48 hunt and Algonquin Park. That does not leave many tags for the remaining population of "Non-Aboriginal" Native people.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

In 55B, when they cut the bull tags to 0, Turner's Camp at Round Lake, an outfitter, still had bull tags.

One thing I think OFAH needs to demand from the MNR is transparency - the number of outfitters tags being allocated in each WMU should be published in the regs with other tag allocations.

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Use to hunt Madawaska with my dad and grandfather, took 15 moose outta there in 10 years then tags went for a crap, They blamed the first nations for the lack of tags,
Grandfather watch a first nation shoot at a cow off the road, then ask if he was going to go look for blood and his reply was it ran to far off the road to bother, He found the cow dead 100 yards in and the mnr didn't do a thing about it,

I can see both sides, but the government shouldn't forget that the non-residents don't get to vote.

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Originally Posted by Matt86

Use to hunt Madawaska with my dad and grandfather, took 15 moose outta there in 10 years then tags went for a crap, They blamed the first nations for the lack of tags,
Grandfather watch a first nation shoot at a cow off the road, then ask if he was going to go look for blood and his reply was it ran to far off the road to bother, He found the cow dead 100 yards in and the mnr didn't do a thing about it,

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If you or I did this , we would be hung out to dry and then some.

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Originally Posted by x_xeon_x

I can see both sides, but the government shouldn't forget that the non-residents don't get to vote.

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I think you're mistaken putting the blame on to the gov't. Any government elected at any time only appoints a minister to "head" the MNR for the interim. These ministers are often not there long enough to make any change at all. Doesn't matter if it's liberal, conservative, NDP... The guys that make the policies are the long term MNR personnel and most of these guys/gals are lifers. Most will retire to a nice gov't pension after steering the MNR ship for years. Where and how they steer the ship is always a mystery to the common man. I don't think anyone even knows who they are! Sweet job if you ask me. Make policies behind closed doors and never any repercussions when you screw up - kinda like a weatherman!


For us, the common man, the old saying " you can't beat city hall" really rings true. All us poor saps b#tch and complain on blogs like this . We toss around ideas and dreams BUT it is all for not.

BIG BROTHER (upper MNR brass) make the decisions and when they make the wrong decisions (often) the crap never seems to stick on them. All of us think it's the gov't of the time so we whine and cry to them. It's no wonder our whining and crying fall on deaf ears! All of it is directed in the wrong direction.

I always looked forward to retirement as the golden years and figured I would hunt and fish myself into heaven. But seeing where we are and where we were sure is discouraging.

Like I said in an earlier post the only thing in abundance is coyotes/ wolves and bears. WTF!

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Originally Posted by SK33T3R

I think you're mistaken putting the blame on to the gov't. Any government elected at any time only appoints a minister to "head" the MNR for the interim. These ministers are often not there long enough to make any change at all. Doesn't matter if it's liberal, conservative, NDP... The guys that make the policies are the long term MNR personnel and most of these guys/gals are lifers. Most will retire to a nice gov't pension after steering the MNR ship for years. Where and how they steer the ship is always a mystery to the common man. I don't think anyone even knows who they are! Sweet job if you ask me. Make policies behind closed doors and never any repercussions when you screw up - kinda like a weatherman!


For us, the common man, the old saying " you can't beat city hall" really rings true. All us poor saps b#tch and complain on blogs like this . We toss around ideas and dreams BUT it is all for not.

BIG BROTHER (upper MNR brass) make the decisions and when they make the wrong decisions (often) the crap never seems to stick on them. All of us think it's the gov't of the time so we whine and cry to them. It's no wonder our whining and crying fall on deaf ears! All of it is directed in the wrong direction.

I always looked forward to retirement as the golden years and figured I would hunt and fish myself into heaven. But seeing where we are and where we were sure is discouraging.

Like I said in an earlier post the only thing in abundance is coyotes/ wolves and bears. WTF!

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Problem is the MNRF portfolio isn't a highly/importantly held portfolio. It never gets a strong Minister who can affect change. Thus is why even with long term governments in power and in majority don't make any changes. We have seem the same from 3 different parties in control in this province.

MNRF brass should suggest to a govt committee any changes. They should make decisions on total tag allotment (as 1 example) and game limits etc based on scientific models. But policies on Who gets tags and how should be decided by the Minister with a committee.

JMHO