Canadian Houndsman Garmin Supporters

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Originally Posted by timberchuck

Thanks for your input Snowwalker. yes we are aware of the obstacles you mentioned. Our main goal is to flood the Minister of Industrys office with individual letters (also sent to our MPs) expressing our opposision to the policy decision made by his office to continue banning the use of Garmin systems for tracking. If we have the numbers we will have his ear and take it from there.

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Thanks, not to split hairs, but it's not so much the use of the collars, but the frequency.
Change the Frequency that the collar uses, or have License privileges to frequency they came with and they could be 100% legal.
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If I have a collar that comes from the Factory and uses a frequency that is between 144 to 148Mhz, 219 to 225Mhz, or 430 to 450Mhz I can legally use it as I am Licensed to use them. A person not licensed can not. I could also take a Collar and change it to use one of those Frequencies making it legal for me to use.

As you can guess there is very little room between 30Mhz and 10Ghz that is not taken. If fact Ham share some of their bands with other users like IFR tags and Transponder.

Im runnning 4.3 on my alpha and 2.5 on my tt10s and tt15s. I agree with making some noise with IC. I would consider Garmin to be 'deep pocketed". IC did not seem very informed by Canadian sportsmen when they made their decision in July. If garmin disabled tracking on these units in Canada they would be stupid, right now they are covering their butts legally and still taking our money. Get informed before flooding your MPs office with letters. In the meantime this summer its time for Garmin to introduce probably a new handheld to update or replace the alpha.

I asked for a licence to operate my 218 mhz Wildlife telemetry system and was denied. Bought it in Canada in 1995 or 1996. I also have the Industry Canada letter to Wildlife approving the sale of the units in Canada.

Appears all about squeeky wheels and grease. They track all the wild life in Ontario on the same MURS frequencies, they got licences to use them. Us, the houndsman are being stymied. Appears Industry Canada cannot adopt as fast as the world changes.

We have had the systems for 40 years, no known interference has been noted. IC has the tools to investigate if it did happen. Check out Beagles Canada and Mr. Peter Hill's response.

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Originally Posted by Sweetdaddy

I just singed up not sure what I can do but let me know

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Where did you sign up? I don't see any link to a FB page?

I sent a letter to my MP as well as Industry Canada a couple of months ago. It is embarrassing that it is illegal to use these tools. Rediculous. These guys at IC need to figure this out as it makes them (and Canada) look like idiots!

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Originally Posted by Stuart22

I asked for a licence to operate my 218 mhz Wildlife telemetry system and was denied. Bought it in Canada in 1995 or 1996. I also have the Industry Canada letter to Wildlife approving the sale of the units in Canada.
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It took Amateur Radio 30 years to get "five" frequencies in the 60 Meter band( 5Mhz ).
Want to know what trying to create a MURS band in Canada is like?
Take a large glass jar full of white marbles, then try to put one red marble in the center without moving the white ones.

Astro could produce a collar that use one of the frequencies they are already licensed to use in Canada, or get a set of frequencies higher in the band. Maybe in the 5Ghz to 10Ghz range. By the way the higher the frequency the more data it can carry on it's signal. So the collars would be better. ALSO every collar that people have can be converted with a few small changes to a couple componets.

go to www.beaglescanada.org and sign up, take a look in the forums, all kinds of very good info, plenty of work has already been done that you are likely unaware of

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

It took Amateur Radio 30 years to get "five" frequencies in the 60 Meter band( 5Mhz ).
Want to know what trying to create a MURS band in Canada is like?
Take a large glass jar full of white marbles, then try to put one red marble in the center without moving the white ones.

Astro could produce a collar that use one of the frequencies they are already licensed to use in Canada, or get a set of frequencies higher in the band. Maybe in the 5Ghz to 10Ghz range. By the way the higher the frequency the more data it can carry on it's signal. So the collars would be better. ALSO every collar that people have can be converted with a few small changes to a couple componets.

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Maybe but from my understanding of electromagnetics, would the higher frequency not reduce the range?

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

Maybe but from my understanding of electromagnetics, would the higher frequency not reduce the range?

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Part #1
Nasa uses Frequencies in the UHF( 400 Mhz ), and higher to talk to probes and landers in deep space.

All Frequencies above 50 Mhz are line of sight. That means a transmitter's antenna can not be seen by the receivers antenna you would not get signal. Line of sight simply means that it has to be a stright line between, because the ground wave does not follow the curve of the earth and the skywave is not reflected back to earth. Things like leaves and trees or ground absorb the signal as well, but as the frequency grts higher and higher, it has more energy. By having more energy it can pass through the trees and stuff a little better. It also means that it will start to bounce off water and hard things like rocks or even packed ground.
What the means that if your dog is in a valley so that the ground between you and him absorbs the collars signal, you may still get a signal from the far side of the valley when the signal bounce back.

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

Maybe but from my understanding of electromagnetics, would the higher frequency not reduce the range?

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Part#2

When you are receiving a signal that has been bounced off the far side of the valley, the data with the GPS info is still there. Since the receiver shows the postion of the dog from the GPS info, you don't have line of sight to the collar. That being said, you are going to want to get line of sight because the signals you getting would give you a very accurate idea where the dog was...

What were we talking about...I think my brain is leaking.

The short answer..Yes the range would be a little shorter. Like 5 miles at 144 to 148 Mhz and 4.999999999999 miles at 419 to 450 Mhz for example. I don't think you would notice that fact if you and the dog are across the valley from each other. You got a signal, now you don't, now you do again...and so on.

Just enquiring on how the signatures have been coming along? If anyone needs copies mailed to them, please pm me with your address, and I will mail you the number you require of Government addressed envelopes. We are trying to keep this as effortless as possible for everyone. If you live within driving distance of Southampton Ontario, you are more than welcome to stop by 288 Railway Street to sign a copy, and we will forward it off at the local post office.


Thanks,


Jason