Breeding Dogs

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

That's why you rescue, or adopt rather than lining the pockets of these backyard breeders. They make sure the dog pounds stay full, and if you take your time you can find pups in most breeds come up for adoption..

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the $150 i paid for my pure bred lab (non papered) im sure didnt make anybody rich... planned to adopt, called a local place, after they explained all the in home visits, wanted me to fill out a questionairre to make sure i was capable of looking after a puppy etc, i said look ive had dogs since i was born, hung up the phone, and seen that ad in the paper so went and bought her... best decision i ever made... mind you she can be a head case at times lol

Just my two cents. Biologically he is ready - my advice - wait until he is at least 2 1/2 years old. He will be fully developed an you wouldn't have to question his abilities, interest or the side of team plays in.

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Originally Posted by Deerslayer99

Looking for some advice/answers in the above title....i have been trying to stud my chocolate lab for the past 2 weeks with another chocolate ......this weekend is the es peak in her cycle and my lab has not even tried to get onto her yet.....he is almost 2 yrs old and she is almost 3 never bred....both virgins....any tricks or advice on how to would be greatly appreciated.....she seems to be ready for him and throwing her butt into him/nipping his neck/ears but all my boy does is try to get at her neck and bark but all in fun.....seems they are more playing then trying to do the deed.....is this what leads up to them getting close.....never done this sort thing before....thanks

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Or you could play a Marvin Gaye album. Has worked wonders for me in the past.

Adoption fees at the humane society can be quite high. Big deterrent for some people.

If people can't afford adoption fees, how do they afford the vet? Go get a cheapie from a backyard breeder and dump it at the pound when they need to go to the vet? Whatever money the byb gets goes right back into pumping out another batch of pups to sell cheap. It's a vicious cycle.

The last time I adopted the fee was $380 from the Hamilton/Burlington humane society. I had to fill out an application and do a small interview. At least they care a bit about where they place a dog, but the backyard greeder will grab anyone's money.
That adoption fee included 6 weeks of pet insurance, spey, micro chip, and license.

I don't disagree. Just sayin that some people don't want to pay 300 bucks for *possibly* someone else's problem. People will never stop breeding dogs, and regardless of how many adopt there will always be tons of dogs in shelters. You can't engineer stupidity out of the general human population.

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Originally Posted by Deerslayer99

...he is almost 2 yrs old

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So you're breeding your male and he is not yet 2 yrs old, that means that you have not had his hip or elbow clearances done as these cannot be done before the dog is 24 months old ..... let alone eyes, CNM or EIC. As a BARE minimum hips, elbow (OFA) and eye (CERF) clearances should be done before any breeding is.

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Originally Posted by Dakota Creek

So you're breeding your male and he is not yet 2 yrs old, that means that you have not had his hip or elbow clearances done ....let alone eyes, CNM or EIC. As a BARE minimum hips, elbow (OFA) and eye (CERF) clearances should be done before any breeding is.

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Deerslayer,
Read the above post carefully.

If you need help understanding what /why these tests are important go ahead and ask, we'll try to guide you through this.

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Originally Posted by Dakota Creek

So you're breeding your male and he is not yet 2 yrs old, that means that you have not had his hip or elbow clearances done ....let alone eyes, CNM or EIC. As a BARE minimum hips, elbow (OFA) and eye (CERF) clearances should be done before any breeding is.

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Im glad you pointed this out DC as I didn't want to look like the bad guy again. This is only part of the equation, but a very important part.
Just because two dogs have papers, doesn't mean they should be bred, but the Ckc doesn't care about that. They'll take your money. Just because a dog has papers doesn't make it any better. Backyard breeders have fancy websites Showing their Ckc papered dogs. This is what people shopping for a puppy will eat up but they don't know any better.


Most people that want to breed their dog won't care and will go ahead and breed their dogs anyway, even after being shown how to do it ethically. It's all about making a buck for them, or, the reasoning is my dog is so nice I want a pup from her/him. Where these pups are placed, the health of those pups, the vet bills involved with breeding (even using a vet) are never considerations.

I'm not trying to slam you deerslayer but I hope you get something out of this before you attempt to breed your dog again.

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Im glad you pointed this out DC as I didn't want to look like the bad guy again. This is only part of the equation, but a very important part.
Just because two dogs have papers, doesn't mean they should be bred, but the Ckc doesn't care about that. They'll take your money. Just because a dog has papers doesn't make it any better. Backyard breeders have fancy websites Showing their Ckc papered dogs. This is what people shopping for a puppy will eat up but they don't know any better.


Most people that want to breed their dog won't care and will go ahead and breed their dogs anyway, even after being shown how to do it ethically. It's all about making a buck for them, or, the reasoning is my dog is so nice I want a pup from her/him. Where these pups are placed, the health of those pups, the vet bills involved with breeding (even using a vet) are never considerations.

I'm not trying to slam you deerslayer but I hope you get something out of this before you attempt to breed your dog again.

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You appologize for being obtuse, and then get right back up on your soapbox again. Ok, we get it, you're a snob when it comes to breeding, and think that every breeder out there should be registered, and register their pups.

How about this little scenario, which obviously eludes you...

There are a number of outdoorsmen, and dedicated "dog guys", who actually engage in breeding their dogs to help each other out. Believe it or not, it actually is a lot like that in the US, and a few guys up here do it too.

My little black lab female came from a friend who bred his female once, to another friends lab. No, she doesn't have papers, and since i have no interest in breeding her, nor running her in field trials or any other "sanctioned" event...why do I care? Did my friend make money on it? Probably broke even considering his time, effort, vet bills etc. But I got an American Labrador, with both sire and dam beautiful hunters, and at 7 months, she's shaping up to be every bit the dog her parents were.

Save your hang ups and stereotypes for another crowd.