Just a look out - Pesticide spray around Thunder Bay HWY 527

You kinda eat it everyday you could say. It is used in the preparation of fields to grow crops. Most crops are treated to survive Round up. I guess we could start increase food by 10,000% instead of using it. Round up is probably the safest chemical out there. Once absorbed by the plant there is no residue it goes straight to the roots. Technically it causes an explosive growth and then kills the plant in layman terms.


Round up is used in preparation of fields for crops, site prep after a clear cut to keep down unwanted vegetation, Keeping Hydro corridors free of trees and shrubs etc. Some environmental groups have tried to find problems with it but I guess what we could do is just tell every to start living in caves again.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Really! I suppose there is no likelihood that it gets into the ground water and gets spread further afield?
How come environmental groups are not raising hell about? Should the hunting community be concerned about its use?

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

You kinda eat it everyday you could say. It is used in the preparation of fields to grow crops. Most crops are treated to survive Round up. I guess we could start increase food by 10,000% instead of using it. Round up is probably the safest chemical out there. Once absorbed by the plant there is no residue it goes straight to the roots. Technically it causes an explosive growth and then kills the plant in layman terms.


Round up is used in preparation of fields for crops, site prep after a clear cut to keep down unwanted vegetation, Keeping Hydro corridors free of trees and shrubs etc. Some environmental groups have tried to find problems with it but I guess what we could do is just tell every to start living in caves again.

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This is good stuff. So what you're saying is, as a civilization, we are going in wrong direction. And if we continue to do so, we are going to end up being poison to death by our own food supply. Do all those people out there who are so bent out of shape over climate change, have any idea?

Now as I recall a year back I picked up some soybean seed to plant, for its nitrogen fixing ability, they mention at the time that it had been treated with roundup. The particular plot I was interested in planting it in was infested with milkweed. All I can say is, if the roundup was suppose to help deal with the weeds, something went remarkably wrong, because in that plot the milkweed is still thriving.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

You are aware that eve so called natural pesticides are toxic. It is how they are used and when they are applied that matters.

RoundUp ready seeds means they are resistant to Roundup when it is applied. The plant can absorb it but won't be killed.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

This is good stuff. So what you're saying is, as a civilization, we are going in wrong direction. And if we continue to do so, we are going to end up being poison to death by our own food supply. Do all those people out there who are so bent out of shape over climate change, have any idea?

Now as I recall a year back I picked up some soybean seed to plant, for its nitrogen fixing ability, they mention at the time that it had been treated with roundup. The particular plot I was interested in planting it in was infested with milkweed. All I can say is, if the roundup was suppose to help deal with the weeds, something went remarkably wrong, because in that plot the milkweed is still thriving.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

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Let's put it simple if you live 50 km from your place of work are you going to ride a bike or drive. The same applies pretty much for everything. You want all farms across the world to become 100% organic know help from anything. Then look on your left and look on your right we would need to chop civilization by 50%.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

This is good stuff. So what you're saying is, as a civilization, we are going in wrong direction. And if we continue to do so, we are going to end up being poison to death by our own food supply. Do all those people out there who are so bent out of shape over climate change, have any idea?

Now as I recall a year back I picked up some soybean seed to plant, for its nitrogen fixing ability, they mention at the time that it had been treated with roundup. The particular plot I was interested in planting it in was infested with milkweed. All I can say is, if the roundup was suppose to help deal with the weeds, something went remarkably wrong, because in that plot the milkweed is still thriving.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Technically it causes an explosive growth and then kills the plant in layman terms.

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To use your own terms - False.

This is a common misconception. Most people believe this because in order to work the plant has to be actively growing and the faster the growth the quicker the glyphosphate will work. People mistakenly believe the growth is caused by the glyphsophate but the growth is actually just the catalyst that allows the chemical to do its job.

Glyphosphate is an enzyme blocker. The blocked enzymes cause an amino acid deficiency that actually causes the plant to die of starvation.

Don't believe me than check it out here:

http://www.glyphosate.eu/glyphosate-mechanism-action

or just google "glyphosphate mode of action." All the sites will tell you the same thing.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

For starters glyphosphate becomes inert upon contact with soil. Read about it first before making statements.

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Also false. Unless by inert you mean to say that it is no longer effective as a herbicide.

Inert in the context of chemicals actually means chemically non-reactive. Glyphosphate does not fall into this category as once in the soil it will undergo numerous chemical reactions and eventually will breakdown into carbon dioxide, formaldehyde, phosphate and ammonia. This process can take weeks or even years depending on environmental factors and soil conditions.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Really! I suppose there is no likelihood that it gets into the ground water and gets spread further afield?

- Gun Nut

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I would not say it is impossible but in my experience it is very unlikely. My company has tested 1000s of groundwater samples from all over southern ontario and had them analyzed by independent third party laboratories for glyphophate and numerous other common agricultural and industrial chemicals. Not one of those samples has ever come back positive for any detectable amount of glyphosphate. Some of those samples were taken from wells 20 or 30 feet from heavily sprayed bean fields.

Surface water on the other hand is a different animal and trace amounts will regularly show up in creeks and ponds close to spray areas.

If this stuff does not kill everything, then why do all the birch and maples tree die off in the cut, no choke cherry or berry bushes grow for at least two years.Any plant that is a deciduous plant takes time to come back in a cut. We see it all the time.

Shrubs, trees, etc take more time to establish I use to spay them through a company for Hydro. We could stop the spray and maintenance of hydro corridors I don't think energy is necessary, I wonder how many people could go this winter without electricity?

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Originally Posted by gowbushkon

If this stuff does not kill everything, then why do all the birch and maples tree die off in the cut, no choke cherry or berry bushes grow for at least two years.Any plant that is a deciduous plant takes time to come back in a cut. We see it all the time.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Shrubs, trees, etc take more time to establish I use to spay them through a company for Hydro. We could stop the spray and maintenance of hydro corridors I don't think energy is necessary, I wonder how many people could go this winter without electricity?

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We are not talking about hydro corridors, we are talking about hundreds of kilometers of forest where the only plant left growing is Jackpine.Not too much I know eats Jackpine.