Omg lol Dyth.
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Omg lol Dyth.
I am glad everyone had a good laugh. I think it is about the only thing we can truly afford right now.
My comments the other day weren't absolving the Ontario government of anything. At the end of the day, regardless of what the report says (when it comes out), the government of Ontario failed to build a working bridge. The question is how much responsibility does the government bear?
I think you will find that the engineering company here, also did the work for the new highway project in Windsor. There were some critical girder problems there as well. This bunch of Liberal nitwits can't even contract out snow removal properly !
http://globalnews.ca/news/2450654/on...-river-bridge/
yeah, yeah, "take a breath" - it's only rural Ontario, which will not make any difference to her come next election....
The way the Liberals are handling the aftermath of this fiasco is starting to become a failure of leadership. Wynne is in Thunder Bay for a cabinet meeting and she has gone on record saying she didn't have the time to visit the bridge so she sent two ministers to go instead. The most important highway in Canada, which moves in the neighborhood of $100 million of goods per day, and she doesn't have the time? She needs to find the damn time to get on site and have a look at the solution they are coming up with in the short term and possibly long term ideas especially since she is closer in Thunder Bay than she ever was in Toronto. Practically, she wouldn't be doing much but not going is such bad optics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waftrudnir
There are two fundamental questions that I want to see an answer to. The first is...
What is the root cause of the failure and who is responsible?
Why was a foreign company in charge of the bridge design when there are Ontario companies capable of building bridges and roads?
And my guess is an Ontario Engineering firm would have more experience with our climactic conditions, winter salting of roads etc and all that entails. Wynne couldn't have found that type of expertise here or none that were liberal party contributors?Quote:
Originally Posted by DGearyFTE
you guys talk about leadership and accountability.
Well, that's all good and fine, but if you think about the countless examples in Montreal, I recall that the root cause was corruption
If the OPP don't arrest them then there is no corruption. I am also reminded of the ferry contract that went to a firm in Chile. I believe the consensus was that the local Ontario company was in the wrong riding. Maybe they will learn the next time to vote Liberal and then they will get a contract.
I'm initially curious as to whether or not this was a P3 project (design, build, finance)? And at that value whether or not it was administered by Infrastructure Ontario? That can be ascertained by a quick trip to their website.
I spent 18 months working for a Spanish consortium on the York Spadina Subway Extension and left of my own volition. I cannot go into detail, but I was not impressed with what I was seeing. This much maligned project has been in the news quite a bit; 1 workplace fatality, massive schedule overruns, budget overruns, the top 2 TTC personnel being terminated.
You would think the government would have learned from this.
I went from there to working for another European contractor on 3 Pan Am projects, the Hamilton Stadium project being one of them. Again, I made an early exit. We all know how things went there.
There has since been calls within the construction industry to base tenders on more than just the lowest price. The Liberal Government of Ontario obviously refuses to listen.
We'll see how this one plays out.
Roe+