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choke collars are for a snap n release correction, if the dog is being choked or restrained with the choker, the choker is not being used correctly, the wonder lead Jake mention works great, its take a bit of time to get used to using one, but it is a big step above a regular choke collar
When I work on formal obedience in the local park or in a pet store where there are plenty of extrem distractions. I use a choke collar as they are intended to be used. The corrections I give are like a "nick". The dog knows the command but just needs to be corrected due to the environment's distractions.
So to answer the original question I added 3 inches to the neck size. Therefore I bought a 22" chain for his 19" neck.
Never use one. They went out with the incandescent bulb. :)
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Originally Posted by Ugo
Police dog trainer I went to uses then right off the bat,no questions asked.Has trained dogs for every major police service around GTA.
http://www.crdogs.com/
Many years ago I took some obedience classes from a Golden Retriever breeder who only used a lead with a loop on the end. At the time I had a British show bloodline Golden Retriever who required this method of training and it worked. Years later I switched to a choke chain method and most recently prong collar to speed up the training process. My Springer is out of a high octane working bloodline required the prong collar training method. She has transitioned to the lead with a loop on the end. My lab is almost a yearling has transitioned from a choke chain collar to a string lead with a loop on the end LOL . I think if you had lots of time to train you could get away with not using a choke chain collar or prong collar like Ugo. I like the options depending on the dogs temperament .
I am just saying I don't use a choke collar - not because they don't work. I kid you not when I say I NEVER used one, so it's not a judgment call based on experience. I simply haven't needed one even with obstreperous larger breeds including a German shepherd/"wolf" (??) cross that refused to heel. And, if you said the word "No" this dog would get very nasty!! That beatch went for my hand twice during heel training when I said "No" (on purpose to see what would happen. The owner was right. :>)
Got the dog heeling nicely, coming, etc. Nice dog actually!
Two weeks afterwards the dog was hit by a car and died from her injuries. ...very sad.
I knew a guy that had a couple of husky/wolf cross in his dog team. They were very unpredictable and caused him allot of grief within the pack. I think it's great that you never used one and believe not using one should be the first attempt used to train a dog.
Well said; I agree. Have never used a choke / prong collar and never will . Sure they work with little effort by the trainer needed , but imo there are better ways to train for heeling etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog
Totally disagree with that and would most definitely depend on the breed, trainers experience and in depth study of most breeds. My working Siberians would dislocate both your shoulders in a matter of seconds and drag you down the trail. I do not think we have any dog whispers on this forum. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
If a sled-bred dog didn't pull, I'd think there was something wrong with it. That said, I use a harness to indicate that my roading dogs can pull to their heart's content BUT a lead on their collar means something else. Again, just how I do it. Like to think a sled dog will also heel even if it does take a little more work but to be honest haven't worked with any.
I'd love to try my clicker on a sled-bred puppy - to teach "heel" I mean. Interesting........???