Forcillo , Not guilty ,sort of

Sorry I don't agree with the sentiment here.

So this kid high on extasy and other drugs has a knife out and tried to slit a lady's throat then started screaming and came at a cop and the cop shot him....

Who of you have stood in the way of a madman with a knife and have had to make that hard choice?

Come on guys. We ask these fellows to stand between us and the bad guys then piss on them when a situation goes bad.

Would this have been different if the cop shot him right between the eyes with only one bullet. Or maybe if he had connected with the lady he tried to kill?

We can't treat our cops like this or none will be willing to deal with hard situations.

Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Sorry I don't agree with the sentiment here.

So this kid high on extasy and other drugs has a knife out and tried to slit a lady's throat then started screaming and came at a cop and the cop shot him....

Who of you have stood in the way of a madman with a knife and have had to make that hard choice?

Come on guys. We ask these fellows to stand between us and the bad guys then piss on them when a situation goes bad.

Would this have been different if the cop shot him right between the eyes with only one bullet. Or maybe if he had connected with the lady he tried to kill?

We can't treat our cops like this or none will be willing to deal with hard situations.

Just my opinion.

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x 2 I totally agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Sorry I don't agree with the sentiment here.

So this kid high on extasy and other drugs has a knife out and tried to slit a lady's throat then started screaming and came at a cop and the cop shot him....

Who of you have stood in the way of a madman with a knife and have had to make that hard choice?

Come on guys. We ask these fellows to stand between us and the bad guys then piss on them when a situation goes bad.

Would this have been different if the cop shot him right between the eyes with only one bullet. Or maybe if he had connected with the lady he tried to kill?

We can't treat our cops like this or none will be willing to deal with hard situations.

Just my opinion.

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I think that's sort of the whole issue here? He did not come at the cop? He was on the bus. No danger to anyone but himself. The other officers on scene sure didn't start shooting because the guy was coming at them?

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Sorry I don't agree with the sentiment here.

So this kid high on extasy and other drugs has a knife out and tried to slit a lady's throat then started screaming and came at a cop and the cop shot him....

Who of you have stood in the way of a madman with a knife and have had to make that hard choice?

Come on guys. We ask these fellows to stand between us and the bad guys then piss on them when a situation goes bad.

Would this have been different if the cop shot him right between the eyes with only one bullet. Or maybe if he had connected with the lady he tried to kill?

We can't treat our cops like this or none will be willing to deal with hard situations.

Just my opinion.

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We didn't ask him to stand between us and them.
He applied for the job and is being paid to do a job.
With every dangerous job there are risks. There are S.O.P.s and protocol and training.
No matter if you are a Doctor , construction supervisor , cop or any other job that has serious consequences if you make mistakes you are held responsible for you actions.
Or at least you should be.


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That Big jack is the "problem".

If and when they cross lines, and they aren't held accountable, the public loses trust, in them and in the system. The same applies to any profession be they Drs, "bankers", or politicians. Certain professions have a lot of "power" over the public be that authority as with leo, or the power to negativity affect their lives as with Drs and Bankers.

When a patient goes to see a Dr and the Dr tells them they have X problem and they need to go under the knife. They "trust" the Dr not to screw up..

When a client puts their financial well being/security in an Advisors hands, or in a banks vault. They trust that advisor, bank not to screw up their lives.

We in our profession understand how important it is to maintain that trust, as do Drs I think. Their regulatory body deals pretty harshly with those who cross lines. I know in mine, heads roll, or if not that, heavy and I do mean heavy fines for things that are fairly "minor". Often the person who screws up, and their superiors.

Leo?
Not so much

And one only need look south of the border to see where it leads. See also the growing distrust and ill will towards Wall Street.

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Originally Posted by stragglelake

We didn't ask him to stand between us and them.
He applied for the job and is being paid to do a job.
With every dangerous job there are risks. There are S.O.P.s and protocol and training.
No matter if you are a Doctor , construction supervisor , cop or any other job that has serious consequences if you make mistakes you are held responsible for you actions.
Or at least you should be.


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I think the lady this violent guy tried to kill might disagree with you. She is lucky to be alive.

Can't help but feel bad for the family of the fellow that got shot.

Could this cop have made a different choice - yes.

Was the knife wielding guy capable of getting off that bus and killing folks - yes he had already tried to kill someone on the bus.

None of us were faced with a knife wielding person that wouldn't back down on that day. We can all sit here with months to pick this apart and apply all the hind sight in the world but that cop had a few seconds to make the hard choice.

I support our police and our military. Always have. While there are a few bad apples in the bunch they deserve our support.

This guy was doing his job and I hope this incident doesn't stop other police from doing their job when hard choices have to be made. Your loved ones could pay the ultimate price for it.

Again just my opinion.

You can google "The public Trust" and it's importance. Most commonly discussions, philosophies will relate back to government. When the "public trust" in government erodes to a certain point. Well anarchy is the result and we are seeing signs of that in the States, accelerating signs these past 10-15 years.

Our profession here in Canada got the message back in the nineties, and we started to change the culture. Stiffer fines and penalties for various abuses, mistakes. And further, having those wasn't enough, "enforcing" those penalties. Laws or regulations aren't very good unless they have teeth and theres demonstrable follow through.

Leo hasn't gotten the message yet.
See the G20 and nothing but one mid level superintendent being thrown under the bus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_trust

Why are you assuming they don't have our support?
What your missing I think, is that ultimately incidents like this, or the bad apples in law enforcement, ultimately if they aren't dealt with or handled properly only hurt the good apples.

See cops, good cops being executed in the US
Why?

Because cops aren't being held accountable when they cross lines and the citizens have lost trust/faith in them.

In the end, shooting themselves in the foot.

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Originally Posted by JBen

You can google "The public Trust" and it's importance. Most commonly discussions, philosophies will relate back to government. When the "public trust" in government erodes to a certain point. Well anarchy is the result and we are seeing signs of that in the States, accelerating signs these past 10-15 years.

Our profession here in Canada got the message back in the nineties, and we started to change the culture. Stiffer fines and penalties for various abuses, mistakes. And further, having those wasn't enough, "enforcing" those penalties. Laws or regulations aren't very good unless they have teeth and theres demonstrable follow through.

Leo hasn't gotten the message yet.
See the G20 and nothing but one mid level superintendent being thrown under the bus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_trust

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I don't need to google public trust. Let's try not to be patronizing.

I've voiced an opinion that differs from yours and its one that is supportive of our police.

I'm done with this topic.

The first 3 rounds drop him, the next 6 is completely beyond the realm of reasonable.