Then my next question would be, why have they spread across a large part of the world like dandelions in the spring? There must be something to them.
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Then my next question would be, why have they spread across a large part of the world like dandelions in the spring? There must be something to them.
It seems that the governments are all left wingers who have really drank the KoolAid. They eat this "green" garbage up by the handfull and love it. Stupid is as stupid does. Travelling south on Hwy.#115/35,today,at Durham Regional Rd.3 east of Orono,there's 8 new windmills that have been built that have yet to turn a blade. Tax dollars at work,folks,thanks to Nana Wynne and Uncle Dalton. :silly:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Ontario already has a large surplus of electricity they also:
1) Are building more and paying more
http://business.financialpost.com/fp...they-dont-need
2) Will be increasing our rates (see above)
3) Have over ridden the Ministry of Transportation in regards to safety several times.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...oved-1.1311597
Transport Canada orders 8 Ontario wind turbines removed
Structures too close to Chatham-Kent airport and pose risk to pilots
Transport Canada has ordered the removal of eight wind turbines near the Chatham-Kent Municipal Airport in southwestern Ontario because they exceed height restrictions for the area and could pose a risk to pilots.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/10...tario-airports
Wind turbines generate trouble for two Ontario airports
More info
http://ontario-wind-resistance.org/c...iation-safety/
http://www.windontario.ca/
In the end there is no need and with the current choices not to upgrade the reliable electricity at Niagara Falls and put up windmills that cannot be depended up any idiot can see the only reason they are doing it is posturing and someone is making alof of profit.
www.680news.com/2015/12/02/ontario-ag-finds-hydro-consumers-pay-billions-extra-for-liberals-energy-decisions/
AG finds Ontario hydro customers pay billions extra for Libs' energy decisions
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technol...209/story.html
http://business.financialpost.com/fp...rals-direction
Ontario’s Power Trip: Irrational energy planning has tripled power rates under the Liberals’ direction
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...tract-1.510278
Mike Crawley, president of the Ontario wing of the Liberal Party of Canada, is a partner in Erie Shores Wind Farm.
On Wednesday, Energy Minister Dwight Duncan announced that Erie Shores was one of a number of companies hired by the province to sell it electricity from generating systems powered by wind, sun, water and methane gas.
The Erie Shores contract is worth $475 million.
Poor decision making, greed and posturing by ideologues and pirates seems to be the result!
Do the rest of the world also have those same politico's ? Lots of right wing governments in Europe that have jumped both feet into wind power, why?
They make people who don't live close to them feel like we are doing something green. This buys political capital with the urban centres who want to feel like we are being responsible. They also have a strong political lobby with lots of money to spread around.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
In Ontario's case they cost the utility over $500 million every year as all the power is surplus and has to be sold to the states or Quebec at a substantial loss and in some cases it is actually given to them for free. They did not actually displace any coal as this was accomplished by building reliable sources such as gas-fired turbines like the one that was cancelled in Mississauga and refits at the nuke plants. Ontario's demand for energy has been steadily dropping for quite some time due to the exodus of manufacturing caused by a combination of the highest power costs in the country coupled with high labour/tax rates and outside economic drivers.
If you look at the cost of power anywhere that has a strong wind component it is through the roof. Ontario is the most expensive in North America by a wide margin - in some cases as much as 300% but still not as bad as places like Germany or Denmark which are double or more than what we are paying.
The ongoing losses will only increase as they continue to go up. I am all for being green but at some point one has to do a cost benefit analysis. They are only going up like dandelions in highly developed countries that have the tax base to heavily subsidize them. There are no industrial wind farms like we have in poor developing countries as it is not economically feasible without massive subsidies.
The reason they spring up is nothing more than optics and a politicians desire to look green. The ship I am on right now burns 20 cubic meters (20,000L) of fuel oil per day. An offfshore wind farm from initial survey and planning to construction and commission will have at least one vessel like this running for extended periods over the 2 to 3 year period of a project. During heavier stages of contruction there will be 2 to 4 vessels like this working for months at a time with larger ones burning even more fuel. No matter how "green" the windmills are, they will never offset the carbon footprint generated when contructing the array. It's all smoke and mirrors.
It will continue in Europe because they have built an industry around it that employs a significant number fo people.
And Europe doesn't have the Hydro capacity like James Bay and all the other dams we have here or abundant gas to power generating stations. In some places windmills probably make sense. Not here, not now.
If you look at 2014 as an example (or any other year wind has been in the mix) a politician would proudly say Ontario generated 6.8 TWh of wind energy representing 4.4% of Ontario's production. What they won't tell you is that in that same year Ontario exported over 12% or 19 TWh of its energy. In other words none of the wind energy was needed. So we spent money to build these things, expended carbon to manufacture and erect them and all for power that we don't need so we can sell it to our neighbours at a substantial loss.
Only a politician would be proud of this.
Source for 2014 #'s:
http://www.ieso.ca/Pages/Power-Data/...rice-Data.aspx
As well as the supply there is also the cost issue .... this one is from a few years back
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~whulet/OGN/V...len_Estill.htm
"In Denmark the retail price of power is 30 cents/KWh which is principally an artifact of high taxes. Compare this with Ontario's 9 cents (which includes the transmission, distribution, and debt recovery charges). The average home in Denmark uses half the power of the average one in Ontario."
Now lets look at Hydro
http://www.ieso.ca/Pages/Power-Data/Supply.aspx
Ontario's installed generation capacity totals 35,221 MW which includes
http://www.opg.com/generating-power/...ges/hydro.aspx
OPG operates 65 hydroelectric stations, including a green power portfolio of 29 small hydroelectric plants, and 240 dams on 24 river systems. The smallest station has a generating capacity of just 800 kilowatts; the largest more than 1,400 megawatts.
Now assuming Niagara Falls is the 1.4Gw and less than 1/2 capacity and as per the link above the wind is 3.2Gw
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/201...ly-as-designed
Maves said the generating stations in Niagara Falls have a capacity of about 2,300 megawatts, but they’re only using about 1,200.
“We’re operating our generating facilities way under capacity.”
You can check the live feed on your power system right now, right here
http://live.gridwatch.ca/home-page.html
At this moment, might be different when you look Wind is 1.6Gw... so IF Niagara was running at say... 2Gw to make easy math instead of 1.2Gw that is a .8 difference (1/2 the windmills in Ontario could be scraped) and with our current surplus the others easily! Actually the ONE generating station at Niagara by capacity could replace 1/4 the windmills ALONE....ALSO look at it another way, using Gridwatch the Hydro capacity is 7,653 Mw and it is generating 4,648 Mw, the wind capacity is 1,613 Mw and producing 1,601 Mw.....using those numbers increasing to 80% capacity from 60% on hydro would completely replace the ENTIRE wind contribution and it would be predictable instead of defendant on the wind being in the right range.
Saving the big point for last... look at the GENERATING 18,275 Mw and DEMAND 16,646Mw ..... generating 1,629 Mw SURPLUS ..... bye bye ALL the windmills and still a 9Mw surplus. Anyone saying we need wind in Ontario is either ignorant or lying.
P.S.
Looking at Gridwatch now wind is 1.2Gw so in the last hour a drop of .4Gw... guess the wind is less :silly:
P.S. 19th at 4:44PM.
Wind is 124Mw and the ONE generator at Niagara Falls is running at just over 1/2 its capacity at 928Mw ... or 8 TIMES all the wind turbines in Ontario!!! All the windmills at Adelaid, Blake, Cedar Point, Erieau, Grenwich, Port Burwell, Port Alma 1 & 2, and several more are producing a total of..... dramatic pause... ZERO.
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Gerald Butts has been showing what an idiot he is for Earth Hour
Gerald Butts @gmbutts Nothing brings out the flat-Earther Conservatives like a few climate change tweets. Patrick Brown has his work cut out for him.
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Again we see many well thought out comments. The desire to look and be green is strong in urbanites; understanding whether it is green or not seems to be less important.
Ontario Liberals = Thieves and Liars. Period.