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In my job as a Fire Fighter, I saw too many of those and more , suicides of all sorts [gruesome ] burned to death etc. , most likely more than you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
But does that mean that we should die of needles chemical accumulation in our bodies just to make some one very rich? ie. the Big Chemical Co.'s
common sense needs to be used by both sides of the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Look at the vaccine debate. Some people scream about vaccines with less then a couple parts per million of an ORGANIC mercury which the body can remove because it is organic, but the very same people will feed their kids tuna with a few micrograms that build up in the body to milligrams of NON-organic mercury which the body can NOT remove.
Draino? I don't eat that much dried cereals but I see nothing wrong with having the pipes cleaned out every once in a while.
Well you were in the wrong line of work being a fire fighter will all the chemicals you would have breathed in over the years. The cancer death rate in fire fighters is very high and many if not most fire fighters have known this for decades. You must of knew the hazards of this career choice but yet you continued on in this career breathing in all kinds harmful cancer causing chemicals.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
That may have happened in the old days.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
But , I guess that you are not aware that in this day and age, we are well trained in the dangers of chemicals, and that is why we all wore our "protective breathing apparatus " , and some of us are still living because we used it with diligence.
" diligence is the necessary amount of diligence required in a professional activity to avoid being negligent "
My line of work/career I chose because I wanted to help people, and we had and used protective breathing apparatus.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
When it comes to the food I eat, I do not want dangerous chemicals in it just to make some one very rich ie. Big Chemical Co's. , chemicals that accumulate in our systems and cause many serious sickness's from allergies to death, is that hard to understand?
Would you knowingly take arsenic ? which accumulates in your body and eventually causes death, yet arsenic does have other uses,
Arsenic is a well-known poison. Arsenic compounds are sometimes used as rat poisons and insecticides but their use is strictly controlled.
Arsenic is used as a doping agent in semiconductors (gallium arsenide) for solid-state devices. It is also used in bronzing, pyrotechnics and for hardening shot.
Arsenic compounds can be used to make special glass and preserve wood.
I know and work with many fire fighters and it still is a high risk even with all the safety equipment. The conversations I have had with fire fighters are still more likely to get specific types types of cancer related to there job , more than your average person eating a bowl of cheerios, wheaties, cornflakes etc.
Unfortunately , I can't find statistics for Canada, but in the U.S. Firefighters do not even make the list of the Top Ten most dangerous jobs , link; https://careers.financesonline.com/t...y-career-path/Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
You mention cancer constantly related to firefighting, smoking cigarettes gives you cancer, [do you smoke ?]friend of ours died of lung cancer due to sprays used in their apple orchard [ because consumers want blemish free nice looking apples] I ate many apples with maggots, because my father did not spray , we ate strawberrys , cherries, plums, currents, goose berries, raspberries right off the plants, it didn't harm any of us because as I said dad did not spray [very few sprays were available in those days].
Cancers of different types somehow develop in people that are not connected in any way in firefighting, so that arguement you can throw out wherever it pleases you
The food we eat, a necessity for survival [living], that I/we buy should not contain dangerous chemicals that accumulate in our bodies to cause allergies and illness [ just for the sake of the all mighty dollar in MR. Big Chemicals Pocket ]
I sprayed chemical pesticides/herbicides as a nursery/greenhouse grower , vegetable crop grower etc on and off for the last 35 years. I do not smoke , have eaten all those cereals you mentioned for most of my life and I am an advocate of many the chemicals currently banned in Ontario. However I have personally witnessed the older generation of farmers for example misuse herbicides/pesticides while mixing, applying these chemicals over the last 40 years and cause a variety of illnesses(death) including cancer. I still see farmers spraying chemicals in the worst weather conditions with no personal protective equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I also know a few apple orchard growers and farmers that have been spraying chemicals for years taking all the necessary safety precautions that have lived well into there eighties as healthy as a horse. Do I believe some chemicals should be banned, absolutely. For the first have of my career I was heavily involved in all aspects of horticulture(including turf) , greenhouse crops and farming using a variety of chemicals to serve a purpose. Most of the industry take an IPM approach because it is too costly to use these chemicals on there food crops and would rather not fork out large sums of money when it's not necessary. Today's agriculture/horticulture , farmer land owners are scientist, ecologist, conservationist as well as business men and women who take great pride providing safe food for everyone to eat. The rise in seasonal allergies has also increased due to allergy causing weeds that are no longer being sprayed in cities. I know many people in my place of work who never use to have seasonal allergies and now have allergies for the first time. These allergies began to surface the same year the pesticide ban came into place. Hmm kinda of strange don't you think ? And doctors are well aware of this.
We live in a society surrounded by chemicals in our homes and in the work place. The air we breath is contaminated with low amounts of VOC' s(off gassing) given off by office furniture, paint on our walls, flooring, photo copiers, carpet, chair & coach fabric, paneling on our walls, varnish, wood stain etc. Plastic bottles we drink out of as well lunch containers we heat in the microwave and then ingest. All cancer causing as well as a variety of other illnesses that can be caused.
Not trying to start an argument, however I strongly believe organic mercury accumulates, especially in the food chain AND inorganic mercury can turn into an organic compound like methylmercury, which accumulates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
So it would seem that all mercury exposure has a real potential to accumulate in the human body.
Disclaimer.....I am rusty on my Univ. A&P, Zoology and Chemistry so........