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Originally Posted by terrym
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This, my friends, is a smart man!Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
That IS a locked container,therefore,it's storage as defined,not "display". Ammo may also be stored with them inside the locked container. As you cited,needing a "tool" (anything used as a tool) to break into a container negates the "easily broken into" clause of the storage regs. The OP is GTG as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Our last house had big beams with a 14' ceiling . I hung some old single shot 22, 12's and barrels (no stocks) on them. Took pictures for the local cfo to approve. One night a cop who was delivering a ticket made me borrow a ladder and tools so he could hand them in.......
What was that all about? Gotta be a hell of a story with this one.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by patvetzal
I would argue that any cabinet with a window would be considered easily broken into. I am quite sure I could easily gain access with a quick kick or elbow to the cabinet window of the unit the OP has shown, no tools required. The NFA also states that unless a window is barred, it is considered to be not secure.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
There are no actual definitions in the regulations as to exactly what is considered a secure locked room, receptacle or container (any place with an unbarred window is NOT).
As well, they also mention that a typical locked closet is not considered secure even if the hinge pins must be removed to gain entry.
We receive many calls on this. Some people think a locked closet is considered secure, as described in section 5(1)(b)(iii) above.
However, if the locked closet can be easily opened by removing the pins from the hinges, then the closet may not meet the standard of being a “room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.”
https://nfa.ca/legal-issue/safe-and-...cted-firearms/
As I mentioned previously, just trigger lock or remove the bolts before putting them in a cabinet with a window.
A "barred" window applies to exterior building construction,not a storage case. What section states specifically that a locked closet is considered unsuitable? Look hard because you won't find any. Remember,the OP is dealing with non-restricteds. Although not defined,this was addressed by the Ontario Superior Court in R vs Barnes where the accused was acquitted on a charge of unsafe storage of non-restricted,restricted and prohibited firearms after a raid on a Toronto apartment owned by Henry Barnes (aka Johnny Sombrero) where all his firearms were stored in old metal school lockers in a locked bedroom. This case set a precedent because the Crown was very reluctant and declined to appeal,so,it stands to this day. Like already mentioned,trigger locks are our best friends. If there's any doubt in the minds of Police,this brings any question to a screaming halt,even if they're simply leaning against a wall or standing in a corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
Yes he is, and that is why I the material I referenced came from the the link entitled Safe, And Legal Storage Of Non-Restricted Firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
No one said all locked closets are unsuitable. The article said some locked closets may not be suitable, given certain circumstances. The Non-Restricted article I linked says a closet falls under section 5(1)(b)(iii) of Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms, which includes firearms "stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into". It also states;Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
"We receive many calls on this. Some people think a locked closet is considered secure, as described in section 5(1)(b)(iii) above. However, if the locked closet can be easily opened by removing the pins from the hinges, then the closet may not meet the standard of being a “room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.”
Why would this apply only to building construction and not a gun cabinet? Where does it say gun cabinets are exempt? It doesn't. The law is very ambiguous in its terminology. Although the NFA does state "There are no actual definitions in the regulations as to exactly what is considered a secure locked room, receptacle or container (any place with an unbarred window is NOT)."Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I'll take my cues from the NFA, as I'm sure they deal with the storage issue, and all the associated charges by various crown attornies across the country on a regular basis, and have a good understanding of how these laws are usually interpretted by judges.
It's legal until they get stolen, doesn't matter how secure it was. You could have a bank vault in your house and if someone drilled the locks over the weekend and stole the guns you would be charged with unsafe storage.
No you would not !!Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Well people have been charged in fact there was the famous case in Toronto.
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Originally Posted by rick_iles