Forum going downhill fast?

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

I am well aware that this is the "off topic" section. My point was, and I think many will agree, this site as a whole, has degenerated into something entirely different than what the original intent was?[/QUOTE

I have to agree with you there, a good example, two threads that were originally in the Fire Arms and Ammo section, very quickly evolved into a political discussion, instead of the perpetrators being warned to keep politics out of the topic, the thread was removed and put into the Off Topic section.
This happens too many times , threads get derailed by certain individuals and arguments about politics start needlessly.
Makes me wonder if these certain individuals do this purposely just to get their thread count up?

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...or maybe they're natural born miscreants that just like to stir things up.

Anything related to laws or censorship in the firearms section should just be posted in the politics section.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

#FordNation

#SaveOntario


then

#ScheerNation

#NoLibs2019


As much as you would like to ignore it we have in Canada right now probably 3 of the worst governments in Canadian history for their waste, programs and spending. Those 3 with their policies affect ALL parts of life in Canada and in the soonest election Ontario. The interest payments increase since the Libs in Ontario have been in power is in the billions more and that either loads up the future to pay for it or reduces the current spending on things like the environment, transportation and real pollution. Their views and policies affect jobs, whether other countries will invest in Canada (oil industry is currently leaving and even Canadian companies are investing in other countries, to the detriment of jobs and opportunities in Canada. Their policies can change firearm ownership, land usage (restricting hunting or fishing on public lands....), land ownership (think huge land claims), the amount of money in your pocket (recent article 91% are paying more taxes under Libs) ....... who is in power affects everything on this board to some degree.... even the photography, if they turn over park land to land claims there may be no more access to the public in some location, parks with restricted hours or closed certain dates to save money etc. Wind turbines for example kill tens of thousands of birds and bats with affect the pest populations ( including the mosquito... :-) ) and in so doing crops, the spread of diseases (west nile...) and I can go on but it should be clear when a topic is affected by politics then it will likely come up.

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I was hoping for some thoughtful responses, but instead, the first two, from who are otherwise intelligent posters, decide to act like shmucks? Go figure?

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Originally Posted by terrym

Are you saying all sections or just the off topic one?

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Terry, did you read my post? I said "This entire OOD forum"?

I agree with you Bushmoose. I miss Cal Tek. Seems there is no administrator involved now, so why should the 2 mods care.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

I agree with you Bushmoose. I miss Cal Tek. Seems there is no administrator involved now, so why should the 2 mods care.

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I'm not claiming innocence, I've antagonized a few and threw a few jabs back n forth over the last few years. It's not hard for a person to get caught up in the nonsense that goes on? But it seems like this site is almost dead these days? It's the same old, same old..... We used to see people posting pics of their boats? Their ATV's? Discussing their camping/fishing trips? Looking for gadget ideas and sharing stories? There were fellas asking for "how to" ideas on a variety of subjects? Not anymore it seems? I wish the lawyers n politician wannabe's would just give it a rest? Put your efforts to actually doing something constructive on your parties behalf, instead of belly aching on here repeatedly? You know who you are, so beat it for a while? let this site have a chance to come back to what it is intended for.

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

I'm not claiming innocence, I've antagonized a few and threw a few jabs back n forth over the last few years. It's not hard for a person to get caught up in the nonsense that goes on? But it seems like this site is almost dead these days? It's the same old, same old..... We used to see people posting pics of their boats? Their ATV's? Discussing their camping/fishing trips? Looking for gadget ideas and sharing stories? There were fellas asking for "how to" ideas on a variety of subjects? Not anymore it seems? I wish the lawyers n politician wannabe's would just give it a rest? Put your efforts to actually doing something constructive on your parties behalf, instead of belly aching on here repeatedly? You know who you are, so beat it for a while? let this site have a chance to come back to what it is intended for.

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Point taken here...

I just didn't think he was looking far enough in the future. :-)

Anyway, as much as I would like to load a shuttle up and send alot of the politicians (all 3 parties...Greens so far as I have seen it all not some) off on the next Mars mission it isn't reality. Even in the thread I started to find out if someone was doing something more than bang-bang and repeat with the 7.62x39 and that then continued on to picking some brains about reloading (an interest I have no time for and no place to test), when I mentioned that the gov't was talking about reducing or eliminating lead in ammunition (as well as fishing gear) someone made a comment about Climate Barbie. I concurred and asked more and the last post in tha thread (until I have more time and another question comes up) was someone that was a troll (only contribution to the thread was to say he was voting for Wynne...).

There are alot of strong emotions, with just reasons,
the current media seems to have

• no issue with partial and "relaitive" facts,
• then there are US paid groups attacking our industries, helping the Liberal's with outright lies (post a link to the facts and you are blocked from posting) and funded by Tides and other organizations from the US,
• politicians that won't answer questions, up taxes and seem to be trying to sabotage Canada......
• open discrimination, for example refusing funding to those that don't agree murdering the unborn child is OK.

Tactics, equipment, gear (think 25 and 32 cal hand guns) ... all can be changed on the whim of a politician, or "experts" at RCMP (Ruger mags) and with the huge funding of political groups with attacks by funded by those like the Tides group ( I watched on BNN today actually where they interviewed a woman researched and that pointed out the Tides and other groups are funded by some of the uber rich to the tune of $8B a year for their agenda). They were talking about how following the money that many Indian groups were getting was anti-pipeline funding and following the money lead to Tides again, Canadian groups ereceived millions that has no accountability on their political spending and they can spend it on political attacks with no accountability to truth (LeadNow spent millions to get Justlied elected) and we can go on and on is what I was trying to say.

Want to use lead split shot ..... maybe not?
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...ng-tackle.html

go target shooting with that Hawken or your .22 ....
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...mmunition.html

go ANYWHERE....
http://business.financialpost.com/op...-see-the-price

the laws created by the politicians invade everything ...if you even need to defend yourself... not in Canada, curl up and cry is all that is allowed.

After Wynne won last time within 3 days one of our biggest customers CIO informed us that he was exiting the province... since then dreams of a better boat, more retirement savings and vacations have been designated as dead.

In the UK they are trying to eliminate kitchen knives and you can't count the lies on the media, web etc. ... people buy the junk out of ignorance or they get piss**.

Even the parties themselves ... for example... Liberal party of Canada... lying....
https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...df&oe=5B693355
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and from before.
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/
"repeal changes made by Bill C-42 that allow restricted and prohibited weapons to be freely transported without a permit, and we will put decision-making about weapons restrictions back in the hands of police, not politicians;"

When ideologues with the power want to get into every part of our lives and change to THEIR standard it will come up again and again.... they view themselves as the "better animals" and we end up with ....

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell


Forgive my rant and ramble but I an too tired to go back and clean it up ...

Summary
politics screws up most thing.
most things are affected by political decisions
vote out ideologues and corrupt ... and hope the new ones can do better.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

I just didn't think he was looking far enough in the future. :-)

Anyway, as much as I would like to load a shuttle up and send alot of the politicians (all 3 parties...Greens so far as I have seen it all not some) off on the next Mars mission it isn't reality. Even in the thread I started to find out if someone was doing something more than bang-bang and repeat with the 7.62x39 and that then continued on to picking some brains about reloading (an interest I have no time for and no place to test), when I mentioned that the gov't was talking about reducing or eliminating lead in ammunition (as well as fishing gear) someone made a comment about Climate Barbie. I concurred and asked more and the last post in tha thread (until I have more time and another question comes up) was someone that was a troll (only contribution to the thread was to say he was voting for Wynne...).

There are alot of strong emotions, with just reasons,
the current media seems to have

• no issue with partial and "relaitive" facts,
• then there are US paid groups attacking our industries, helping the Liberal's with outright lies (post a link to the facts and you are blocked from posting) and funded by Tides and other organizations from the US,
• politicians that won't answer questions, up taxes and seem to be trying to sabotage Canada......

Tactics, equipment, gear ... all can be changed on the whim of a politician, or "experts" at RCMP (Ruger mags) and with enough the huge funding and with attacks by groups funded by those like the Tides group ( I watched on BNN where they interviewed a woman that pointed out the Tides and other groups are funded by some of the uber rich to the tune of $8B a year for their agenda). They were talking about how following the many Indian groups were getting ant-pipeline funding and following the money lead to Tides again, Canadian groups donate millions that has no accountability and they can spend it on political attacks (LeadNow spent millions to get Justlied elected) and we can go on and on is what I was trying to say.

Want to use lead split shot ..... maybe not?
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...ng-tackle.html

go target shooting with that Hawken or your .22 ....
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...mmunition.html

go ANYWHERE....
http://business.financialpost.com/op...-see-the-price

the laws created by the politicians invade everything ...if you even need to defend yourself... not in Canada, curl up and cry is all that is allowed.

After Wynne won last time within 3 days one of our biggest customers CIO informed us that he was exiting the province... since then dreams of a better boat, more retirement savings and vacations have been designated as dead.

In the UK they are trying to eliminate kitchen knives and you can't count the lies on the media, web etc. ... people buy the junk out of ignorance or they get piss**.

Even the parties themselves ... for example... Liberal party of Canada... lying....
https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...df&oe=5B693355
...
and from before.
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/
"repeal changes made by Bill C-42 that allow restricted and prohibited weapons to be freely transported without a permit, and we will put decision-making about weapons restrictions back in the hands of police, not politicians;"

When ideologues with the power want to get into every part of our lives and change to THEIR standard it will come up again and again.... they view themselves as the "better animals" and we end up with ....

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

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I was correct on the SHMUCK part! And you're trying to prove a point somewhere?

Agreed Bushmoose.

An interesting post in Firearms was completely derailed by a select few posting full page arguments back and forth, and the arguments became less and less relevant as it went on.

One of them appears not to be getting the message. Maybe a character limit on posts would keep it reasonable.

I agree with bush moose. It does seem that any post someone makes gets flack for leaning left or right and it goes off on a tangent from there. Sure the politics in this country and province are a bit out of wack but any section other than the political one should be just for discussion of our hunting and fishing passions. Free of attacks from others due to inexperience or difference of opinion on their preference.