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Elk are grazers..... depending on the terrain it might be a bonus and if he is offering deals for next year and has some big ones in the area let me know. At this time I have no idea if I could actually arrange it but it might be tempting. Don't ask what my summer was like for fishing etc. .... that answer wouldn't bode well for it (actually it stinks) but I would be interested in learning more... even if it is probably just a wish list item

https://elknetwork.com/return-burn-a...-fire-burning/

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire...ces/fire/13149

In two or three years he will have great moose habitat. The only downside is that the area will be so tough to walk because of downed, unburnt trees that it will be almost impossible to walk through.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

In two or three years he will have great moose habitat. The only downside is that the area will be so tough to walk because of downed, unburnt trees that it will be almost impossible to walk through.

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cutting trails will have two benefits, easy movement to and from areas they want to use and as the animals return they will use the trails to move around the area. Just like you or I would walk around on the easy to walk trails so will the animals.


And lots of free fire wood...

Thanks for the opinions. Enjoyed those links Mosquito.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker;1066589[B

]cutting trails[/B] will have two benefits, easy movement to and from areas they want to use and as the animals return they will use the trails to move around the area. Just like you or I would walk around on the easy to walk trails so will the animals.


And lots of free fire wood...

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In order to cut trails on Crown Land , A permit is usually required, at least in Ontario it is .
https://www.ontario.ca/page/crown-land-work-permits

Men fined for cutting trail over Crown Land. ... Paul Van Erp was fined $20,000 for damaging endangered species habitat, $8,000 for constructing a trail on Crown land without a permit and $5,000 for violating a stop work order, according to a Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) press release.

It is also illegal in B.C.
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/archiv...p/t-68770.html

Here is the true answer:

Building new trails in 2011 in BC on Crown Land is ILLEGAL unless you have a permit. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.

Gatehouse gave the accurate answer way back at the beginning of this thread. It doesn't matter if you are cutting timber or not, unauthorized trail building is illegal. The problems with poorly planned trails include diverting water onto unstable slopes, and degradation of areas with moist to wet soils. Anyone in the Nelson area who has been into Hazeldeane lake knows what I mean (braided quad tracks, mud pits where seepage meadows used to be). I also understand that the govt enforcement folks have been directed to pay more attention to this, based on complaints from the public.

I can't think of a worse possible place to try to cut a trail. When those trees eventually fall they're criss-crossed and many are suspended anywhere from knee to shoulder height. I used to enjoy a good days work with a chainsaw but I do have my limits.

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I can't think of a worse possible place to try to cut a trail. When those trees eventually fall they're criss-crossed and many are suspended anywhere from knee to shoulder height. I used to enjoy a good days work with a chainsaw but I do have my limits.

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Yep,downed trees under pressure move faster than we can. One of our guys was standing on a small blow-down when it released. He went for quite the ride. He was lucky it was just small. I hate to imagine if it was a full size,he'd have likely been in orbit.

If he's running a lodge then the is an area around it that he can do things. Just after a big fire, he asks if he can cut some trails and clear out dead trees, I can't see him not getting permission.

As for the blowdowns, and bad spots, figure out work arounds for them and don't be stupid. After the snow falls there are a few ways safer ways to release the logs under tension, then cutting with a saw.

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I can't think of a worse possible place to try to cut a trail. When those trees eventually fall they're criss-crossed and many are suspended anywhere from knee to shoulder height. I used to enjoy a good days work with a chainsaw but I do have my limits.

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And it's absolutely amazing that a moose can go through that? I put up a cow onetime at the edge of a cut. There was an uncut strip maybe 2 hundred yards between the cut and a river. It was full of blow downs, as you say, knee high to 8 feet high. That cow went thru that without hesitation, bellowing all the way. I went down and tried to follow to the river and gave up after 10 yards?

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker;1066623[B

]If he's running a lodge then the is an area around it that he can do things.[/B] Just after a big fire, he asks if he can cut some trails and clear out dead trees, I can't see him not getting permission.

As for the blowdowns, and bad spots, figure out work arounds for them and don't be stupid. After the snow falls there are a few ways safer ways to release the logs under tension, then cutting with a saw.

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Only IF he actually owns the land, most lodges are still on leased land , which is still Crown Land.