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Sorry buddy, not a city guy here, I know how the Crown system works.Quote:
Originally Posted by contaucreek
It is about respect, most of the time you see their truck or they see yours then you stay out but when guys start signing off and gating Crown land because their grandfather and his friends used to hunt it is total BS.
The local COs know nothing, in most of the Crown land areas there is 1 or 2 COs for hundreds of thousands of acres, they do not know where people are hunting.
I don't care where you live. You either have respect or you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
A gate, road, bridge etc built on Crown must be built with MNRF permission, report those who dont have it.
How dare you disrespect our C.O.'s They are talented and professional and most certainly know where the established camps are and would gladly point you towards a good spot.
"Know nothing", laughable.
For crown land....just hunt mid week or preferably hunt the 2nd week...a lot of crown land is vacated after the 'opener' week.
Report it, ha ha ha ha, sorry, guys sign off land, knock down trees across roads, just to block people out of hunting areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by contaucreek
You call something in, first off you have to go 20min to a phone to call it in, then they say they will take it under advisement and nothing gets done.
I have a lot of respect for COs, they put their own money into gas for their trucks because the funding is so bad but there are not enough of them to go around, not even close. The COs do not just drive around and search people, they setup the odd road block and tour during the 2 weeks of rifle hunt but they just do not have the resources. If you are known to the COs then you probably are on their radar for doing something wrong.
I have been hunting since 1999, this is my 20th year, I have been stopped exactly once by a CO hunting in SW Ontario, Central and Eastern Ontario, NE Ontario fishing, fishing in Eastern Ontario on the Ottawa and Rideau rivers and in the lakes, being stopped by a CO is rare.
Saying that I have to stay off crown land because some guy and his dad and grandpa have hunted that land for 100 years is as good as giving them squatters rights. They do not own it, if they want to be able to hunt it as a gang then they need to allow you to hunt it as well.
Mike, just before I stopped hunting at the old camp the hunters numbers were down so much that the second week of November going into the last weekend there was not another ATV on the logging road, deadsville, and the deer were moving a lot during the day, they knew what was up.
The Limerick Forrest is like that ...a bunch the first few days...and a bunch on the weekend , but otherwise no cars /trucks in the main parking area and no sign of other hunters on the trails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Don't know why it isn't used more, lots of deer in there. Maybe it's just low hunter numbers and guys can't get the time off work.
For someone who has had exactly ONE experience with a CO in the field, you sure seem to be an expert on what they do or don't know, where they'll be, how they search for poachers and what they will or will not charge someone for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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wmu 47 does have a lot of established camps in certain areas, i have part of one. we pay our land lease, our road, property and education taxes on this one acre parcel of land amid other camps in the area that do the same. Our camp like most others are atv access only. Do we feel like we own the rights to hunt this area exclusively? In a way yes we do..in another way, no we don`t. It`s all public land and we set up no road blocks for public access. We do however if encountering other hunters let them know where we are and where other camps in the area are and what arrangements we have with them. Along with the other camps in the area there has been established areas that we all hunt. This is so we know where everyone is and we are all on the same page, for safety reasons. Now don`t go off on me saying that know your target and the rest of the crap i`ve heard some say on here.. we all get that. We have encountered few day hunters in the area because of the remoteness but the few that we did encounter have been very courteous with us, as we have been with them. Most are day hunters on their atv`s. No one can deny you the access to public land, but be reasonable and polite when encountering people from an established camp and i`m sure that for the most part they will tell you of an area suitable for everyone`s benefit. Big game is where you were after you left, maybe not where your going, but might be there if you wait long enough. That`s my 2 cents worth.
20 years and seeing 1, what that tells me is that there are not a lot of them out there as I have hunted and fished quite a bit in that 20 years, fished for more than 20 years and never saw a CO out on the water, push it out to 30 years when you take into account fishing and remembering.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
How can they know what is going on and who is hunting where when they are not actually out in the area? They are a reactive force now, I met a local guy working out of the Kemptville office, this is the enforcement headquarters for the area. Essentially they go and investigate when someone calls something in, any other people caught is more by luck with random stops. Bought a coffin blind from him, he was not a fan of field hunting geese. 1 guy that I hunt with was stopped in a sting, they thought he was night hunting but he was just checking his game camera, apparently poachers were using the same bush and they were called out to the area.
When the COs have no budget to enforce then how the heck are they able to get into the field?
You do not have exclusive rights but you are doing everything exactly right when it comes to sharing the crown land that exists, you are the majority but the minority are the ones that raise hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpygeezer
The only issue with established camps is that they tend to keep out new people, which hurts hunters as a whole. Ideally we all need to work together on Crown land so that it is safe and those new people can come and enjoy a hunt.
I am speaking to the negative for sure, most of the gangs around our old camp were good, one of the guys in our gang was bad (hence why we left). Respect for private land, sharing crown land, enjoying the property is all that we should focus on.
I hunt and fish southern Ontario. While fishing,( year round), I get licence checked by CO's 3-4 times a year. While hunting I get checked a couple of times a year and I only hunt Bear and deer.