The Schrifle; new 20 ga concept ammo

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March 26th, 2020, 11:33 AM
gbk

TarHunt is a company around for a while.
Time will tell about this ammo-thank You for posting.
March 26th, 2020, 04:56 PM
rick_iles

My concern would be ricochet. The rationale for having shotgun only hunts, is because of close proximity to built up areas. If they start pushing 200yds with a shotgun, I can see the end of shotgun only hunts here in the south....JMO...it is very interesting though !!
March 26th, 2020, 06:45 PM
trky chsr

Couple of opinions on this. First modern shotguns and ammo (even 20ga) are already capable of making 200yd shots, even 250 if you're good. I've killed a few at 190-200yds ( from a rest and I use a rangefinder). The other thing I would like to mention is in the US numerous states are allowing straight walled rifle cartridges (like the 45-70) in shotgun only areas since they have similar trajectories. I would love to see that in Ontario as well, allowing us to use old Winchesters and Marlins. TC
March 26th, 2020, 08:41 PM
jaycee

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Originally Posted by trky chsr

Couple of opinions on this. First modern shotguns and ammo (even 20ga) are already capable of making 200yd shots, even 250 if you're good. I've killed a few at 190-200yds ( from a rest and I use a rangefinder). The other thing I would like to mention is in the US numerous states are allowing straight walled rifle cartridges (like the 45-70) in shotgun only areas since they have similar trajectories. I would love to see that in Ontario as well, allowing us to use old Winchesters and Marlins. TC

There is however a very big difference in range and trajectory of a 45/70 , and a 20 gauge shotgun.
A 45/70 is very capable of taking game at 400 to 500 yards, which in southern ontario and the higher density of farms and rural housing makes for a dangerous situation.
Don't forget that the old buffalo hunters used the venerable 45/70 to kill buffalo at ranges well past the 500 yard mark [well documented] on the prairies, I would hate to see it being used around here in southern ontario shotgun only zones.
March 27th, 2020, 10:17 AM
Snowwalker

Nothing is new. It's just the rebirth of the old 20 bore rifle.

Wife has a 20 gauge with a rifled barrel. I think these rounds would turn it into a bad butt bear thumper of a camp gun.

As for the thin low pressure barrels, if people like this round someone will make a stronger barrel. Then someone makes a more powerful round. And the circle continues.
March 27th, 2020, 10:28 AM
Big Jack

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Originally Posted by trky chsr

Couple of opinions on this. First modern shotguns and ammo (even 20ga) are already capable of making 200yd shots, even 250 if you're good. I've killed a few at 190-200yds ( from a rest and I use a rangefinder). The other thing I would like to mention is in the US numerous states are allowing straight walled rifle cartridges (like the 45-70) in shotgun only areas since they have similar trajectories. I would love to see that in Ontario as well, allowing us to use old Winchesters and Marlins. TC

This bothers me greatly.
I’ve spent a small fortune on 20 gauge slug testing. They are just good to 200 but that’s it. They don’t have enough left in the tank past 200 to do the job reliably. The BC of those bullets are terrible.

Here is the table for reference;

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March 27th, 2020, 10:46 AM
Big Jack

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Originally Posted by jaycee

There is however a very big difference in range and trajectory of a 45/70 , and a 20 gauge shotgun.
A 45/70 is very capable of taking game at 400 to 500 yards, which in southern ontario and the higher density of farms and rural housing makes for a dangerous situation.
Don't forget that the old buffalo hunters used the venerable 45/70 to kill buffalo at ranges well past the 500 yard mark [well documented] on the prairies, I would hate to see it being used around here in southern ontario shotgun only zones.

I’ve been working with the 45-70 a bunch lately. I think it and 44, 357 would be good. Sure it’ll reach out but the rainbow trajectory required defies practical use.

The bad BC pills coupled with the weight really does not help it fly well.
March 27th, 2020, 11:36 AM
rick_iles

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

This bothers me greatly.
I’ve spent a small fortune on 20 gauge slug testing. They are just good to 200 but that’s it. They don’t have enough left in the tank past 200 to do the job reliably. The BC of those bullets are terrible.

Here is the table for reference;

Attachment 39873

Thanks for that table. I’m rigging up a 20g, sabot slugs, for deer this year. It will help a lot.
March 27th, 2020, 05:59 PM
Big Jack

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Thanks for that table. I’m rigging up a 20g, sabot slugs, for deer this year. It will help a lot.

Don’t get me wrong, they are absolutely fantastic up to 200 yards. You will not regret your path.
March 27th, 2020, 07:02 PM
impact

I have been happy with the Remington AccuTip out of my Savage 220 and the game in front of me, well not so much.

https://images.remington-catalog.com/573cd0229b967

https://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_accutip_slugs.htm

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