Selling a non restricted question

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Yep,that's it. Easy peasy. It's even easier if you're selling face-to-face. All you need to see is a valid PAL. Record the number for future reference....if you want.

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I was under the impression with the last change/up date to the legislation, there was something about having to call the CFP to confirm the validity of the PAL, that you could no longer just accept it at face value. You might want to check that out if you plan to do a face-to-face deal. As for someone e-mailing a pic of their PAL there would be nothing stopping someone from retaining the pic of your PAL and then possibly using it do a none face to face firearm purchases, passing themselves off as you. Just some thoughts.

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Have them take a selfie holding up their card and if they want, blur/block out the info on the card. Have them send that info separately for confirmation.

I do not communicate with CFP when selling a non restricted firearms. I just make sure the buyer has a valid PAL. That's all you need to do. I don't want CFP knowing nothing about my legal activities.

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You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm.

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Originally Posted by fishhawk

Never send anyone a pic of your pal. There name and pal number along with a call to the cfc to verify information is valid is all that’s needed.

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Why? I've sent my pic many times and vice versa have had many sent to me from buyers. If they want it shipped and the shipping address is the same as their pal address then what's the problem. Saves me or someone else a call to the firearms center

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Have them take a selfie holding up their card and if they want, blur/block out the info on the card. Have them send that info separately for confirmation.

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Not necessary. I recently ordered a shotgun from Sail.
All that was required was my PAL number. I’m sure they verified my PAL with the CFC.....

TRANSFERS OF NON-RESTRICTED FIREARMS AFTER BILL C 71

[COLOR=#868686]Basically, under C71 PAL holders must call the RCMP at 1-800-731-4000 and receive verification before transferring a non-restricted firearm to another PAL holder.
[COLOR=#868686]Under Bill- 71 when transferring a non-restricted firearm, for private sales the seller needs to apply to the Registrar of firearms from the Canadian firearms program (CFP) with the license information of the buyer, which then is verified to be valid and a transfer number is issued denoting a verification has occurred. The CFP registrar can refuse the transfer and may inform the seller why it was refused.

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Why? I've sent my pic many times and vice versa have had many sent to me from buyers. If they want it shipped and the shipping address is the same as their pal address then what's the problem. Saves me or someone else a call to the firearms center

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Last few years there's been many cases of scam's committed with would be buyer's sellers asking for pics of pals.

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Originally Posted by fratri

Rick, If they gave me the number in an email.... Then I would just need to verify the number and mailing address with CFP right?
I don't actually need to see a pic of their PAL correct

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That is correct.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

I was under the impression with the last change/up date to the legislation, there was something about having to call the CFP to confirm the validity of the PAL, that you could no longer just accept it at face value. You might want to check that out if you plan to do a face-to-face deal. As for someone e-mailing a pic of their PAL there would be nothing stopping someone from retaining the pic of your PAL and then possibly using it do a none face to face firearm purchases, passing themselves off as you. Just some thoughts.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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After checking the C-71 status,it was proclaimed into law on June 19 2019 requiring a seller of an NR to check the validity of the purchasers PAL by calling 1-800-731-4000. Evidently,it's an automated system where you simply input the number and the info returned is immediate. I stand corrected. The government must think that there's a pile of fake PALS out there.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Not necessary. I recently ordered a shotgun from Sail.
All that was required was my PAL number.

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I know it's not necessary...but there are guys on here that are really anal about these things and I was just suggesting an option if you want to compare Photo to Face.

Some guys still think you need to keep records of who you sold you guns too..

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

In that case, I wouldn’t be selling to them !! CYA !!!

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Exactly! Get them to send you a pic of their PAL. Verify their mailing address with them - there is no address on a PAL so you are assuming he is giving you his proper address.

Receive payment in advance - easiest way is to have the buyer send the seller an EMT with the agreed upon amount. Once payment is received and funds are in account seller packs up firearm (I always like to break it down and put in a case so it is less obvious) - no trigger lock is required. I pack it up in discrete cardboard and lots of packing tape. I take it to Canada post and send it to seller with signature required. Insurance is optional (and buyer usually covers that cost - but can be negotiated). When asked what I am shipping I usually say fishing equipment or tools. Once it is shipped I take a picture of the receipt with the tracking number and send it to buyer - DONE. I request a notification that the firearm was received and the buyer is happy with the product.

I follow the same process with restricted firearms, with the exception of the seller contacting the CFO to transfer the firearm to the new owner after you receive payment but before you ship. Once you receive notice the transfer is complete you can ship the firearm to the buyer signature required.