Pellet Guns and PAL

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

You can't find it because it's not there. I carried a Crossman .22 CO2 "38" revolver in a shoulder holster under my parka for popping Grouse while sitting on Moose and Deer watches,all 100% legal as long as the pellet pistol is below the 500fps threshold. We also need to be aware that Coyote and Wolf hunters hunting during big game seasons are no longer restricted from using C/F rifles without being in possession of big game licenses. The new regs can be found on pg 85 of The Summary. This is really great news for dedicated varmint/predator hunters who hunt year round.

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yes part 77 (1) has been removed. There are some misprints in the new regulations, so keep that in mind..

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

You can't find it because it's not there. I carried a Crossman .22 CO2 "38" revolver in a shoulder holster under my parka for popping Grouse while sitting on Moose and Deer watches,all 100% legal as long as the pellet pistol is below the 500fps threshold. We also need to be aware that Coyote and Wolf hunters hunting during big game seasons are no longer restricted from using C/F rifles without being in possession of big game licenses. The new regs can be found on pg 85 of The Summary. This is really great news for dedicated varmint/predator hunters who hunt year round.

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Why can’t you use a pellet gun that is faster 500 FPS when grouse hunting during deer season? Can you point me to the reg? Thanks,

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

yes part 77 (1) has been removed. There are some misprints in the new regulations, so keep that in mind..

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Subsection 77(1) still exists but contains the following clause:

(1.1) Subsection (1) does not apply to:
(b) a person who has a valid licence to hunt wolf or coyote and is hunting wolf or coyote under the authority of that licence.

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

Why can’t you use a pellet gun that is faster 500 FPS when grouse hunting during deer season? Can you point me to the reg? Thanks,

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Page 26, of the regs summary. You can’t use a restricted or prohibited firearm to hunt. Over 500 FPS (152.4mps) makes a pellet pistol either restricted or prohibited.(barrel length). It then becomes regulated by the CC and Firearms Act, in terms of Licencing, registration, carrying etc.....

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

Subsection 77(1) still exists but contains the following clause:

(1.1) Subsection (1) does not apply to:
(b) a person who has a valid licence to hunt wolf or coyote and is hunting wolf or coyote under the authority of that licence.

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This applies to those WMU's that require a separate Wolf/Coyote license and tag. The rest of Ontario has a year-round open season. The firearms used during the open season for big game must match the regs ie: shotguns in shotgun only WMU's,however,slugs and heavy shot may be carried and used without the possession of a big game license PLUS blaze orange must be properly worn during big game gun hunts for Deer and Moose and by "licensed" Black Bear hunters except when in a tree stand.
Is it just me,or does anyone else see where the regulation change could increase risk to safety?

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

This applies to those WMU's that require a separate Wolf/Coyote license and tag. The rest of Ontario has a year-round open season. The firearms used during the open season for big game must match the regs ie: shotguns in shotgun only WMU's,however,slugs and heavy shot may be carried and used without the possession of a big game license PLUS blaze orange must be properly worn during big game gun hunts for Deer and Moose and by "licensed" Black Bear hunters except when in a tree stand.
Is it just me,or does anyone else see where the regulation change could increase risk to safety?

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I don’t see any increased risk. Nothing has changed really, except yote and wolf hunters don’t require a big game licence. I suppose if anything, it may increase hunter numbers, but that’s about it...IMHO.. hopefully it results in a reduction of wolf/yote numbers..

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Page 26, of the regs summary. You can’t use a restricted or prohibited firearm to hunt. Over 500 FPS (152.4mps) makes a pellet pistol either restricted or prohibited.(barrel length). It then becomes regulated by the CC and Firearms Act, in terms of Licencing, registration, carrying etc.....

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Thanks for the clarification, somehow I was thinking pellet rifles, which should be ok regardless of muzzle velocity.

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

Thanks for the clarification, somehow I was thinking pellet rifles, which should be ok regardless of muzzle velocity.

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A air Rifle over 500Fps is a non-restricted firearm and you must have a PAL to use one to begin with.

Let's not lump everything together. Different firearms and Different licenses and Different can do and cannot do.

before i went ahead and got my gun licence i had this question as well as i would hunt squirrels with my .22 grizzly. answer i got by email of mnr was as long as its not over 500 im okay with H2 and have valid licence to hunt. if a big game season is happening, wear orange but if stopped by a CO there is no way in hell you could argue that you are hunting bear or deer with your .22 pellet rifle.
those little rifles are so handy to take anything from partridge, to squirrel to close range rabbits and my chickens when they are on their way out. heck, ive even shot a skunk at close range and it was lights out.

You can also hunt small game with a pellet / BB pistol. Grouse would be fine to light for a rabbit.