Well that’s sounds like a good enough reason not to trust the process!!! …. Maybe some anger management?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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Well that’s sounds like a good enough reason not to trust the process!!! …. Maybe some anger management?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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No anger here, just stating a fact !Quote:
Originally Posted by stragglelake
Well, as I assumed both retired LEOs have responded and both have done so in an honourable fashion. But, this being an open forum we are all entitled to discuss our thoughts. Why would they not notify the local police before? Why would they try to issue a warrant in a shop that contains firearms and ammo? Why did they bring an ambulance and team of officers? Was he a threat to the publics safety right at that time? I feel they wanted him dead and therefore silenced. If not, they are an extremely incompetent group. Either way, it wasn’t handled properly.
You are spot on..... there will be major fallout, just as there was in Caledonia when the officers stood by and watched criminals seize and destroy property. NOTHING was done other than to sweep all garbage under the rug.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilly
Caledonia is not a fair comparison. That was not swept under a rug either. The leader of the protest was charged and convicted. The courts just overturned his sentence. Nothing to do with police or the SIU.
I agree it it was not what most wanted to see happen there, but that is a no-win for police. If they act, they will be crucified by politicians for political gain regardless of how well they handle it.
Absolutely a fair comparison........The police failed to act. They didn't handle it, they stood by and the people that they are paid to serve and protect had they're lives ravaged. The people responsible were never punished, sorry. Convicted of what ? Served what time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilly
You yourself say that " if they act " I'm sorry ...... they are paid well to " act". That means do they're job. Caledonia had everything to do with the Police - They stood by and watched it happen. Thgey failed to protect the innocent. This gunsmith had a right to protection as well. Innocent until proven guilty, and the police DO NOT have a right to superceed this where they feel just in breaking the law.
Exactly like Caledonia this will disappear from the news. The victims forgotten, the police collecting a pay cheque.
DISGUSTING
Wrong. The actions in Caledonia were made by high-ranking officers and lawyers who had the luxury of mulling it over and debating outcomes. Caledonia is NOT a police problem, it is a federal government problem they are pawning off on the police. The incident in Norfolk was an individual officer making a split second decision and being put into a situation that, it would appear, did not have to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosechsr
Apples and oranges.
Regarding the police doing nothing in Caledonia; if you look on google, you will see 24 people were charged for mischief (property damage) and disobeying the court order to leave. Many had their charges dropped after they paid restitution. This has nothing to do with police. Some are still before the courts. They were charged with little or no fan-fare to avoid a media circus. Prudent decision IMO.
Not just the federal government. The provincial government of Dalton McGuinty carries much of the responsibility too. McGuinty's people were calling the shots and with Ipperwash a recent memory no OPP commander on site was going to risk being hung out to dry by the Ontario Liberals.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilly
Just to be clear, Mike Harris was the premier at the time of the Ipperwash saga. Around the same time that he leased out the hwy407 and broke up Ontario HydroQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
It was the Liberal government of Dalton McGuinty who called the inquiry into the Ipperwash events and pulling the strings in Caledonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by ysyg