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February 26th, 2018, 05:17 PM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Another liberal approach to things -http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/26/los-angeles-burbs-crack-down-on-huge-homeless-camp-near-disneyland-fearing-new-skid-row.html

It looks like the Californicators "socialist utopia" ain't workin' so shyte hot,eh? Gee,whoda thunk that?
February 26th, 2018, 05:43 PM
last5oh_302

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Another liberal approach to things -http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/26/los-angeles-burbs-crack-down-on-huge-homeless-camp-near-disneyland-fearing-new-skid-row.html

Looks like Erie PA will be going Republican Joe. That must make you happy. Not since 1961 has Erie been Republican which would make this the greatest political upset in America this century.
February 26th, 2018, 05:44 PM
last5oh_302

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

It looks like the Californicators "socialist utopia" ain't workin' so shyte hot,eh? Gee,whoda thunk that?

Something like 1 in 4 are homeless in the Republic of Commiefornia. Yikes!
February 26th, 2018, 08:38 PM
Snowwalker

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

There’s a huge difference between poking holes in paper and getting shot at !!

I was taught and trained to poke holes in my target. Tell me what the target is and I will poke holes. I am fully aware "Some" targets will try to poke holes in me at the same time, or like many "targets" eat me. Fine! I am ready to see who pokes better holes, or who gets to eat who.
February 26th, 2018, 08:44 PM
Snowwalker

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Something like 1 in 4 are homeless in the Republic of Commiefornia. Yikes!

They are starting to post guards or do patrols now because the homeless have figured out they can "GRAZE" crops at night. What they don't eat ( berries, fruit, nuts),they damage and make it not marketable.
February 27th, 2018, 08:42 AM
Dythbringer

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Originally Posted by JoePa

No one is ok with children getting slaughtered - but it is stupid to pass laws that will not take guns away from bad guys but will take guns away from good guys - if the school wasn't a gun free zone things could have turned out much differently - yes that is true -these kids will someday run the country - that terrifies me but then there is always the chance that they will wise up as they grow older and have to take on responsibilities - me personally - I wouldn't be around to worry

Remember most of the problems our country has is because of the democrats pushing their liberal agenda - at one time we had institutions where mentally sick people could be housed - the liberals did away with that - we were not in debt the way we are today - they caused that to happen - our welfare programs are bankrupting the country - they did that - criminals are given a slap on the wrist instead of big jail time - they created sanctuary cities where criminals can hid from the law enforcement - illegal immigrants come into the country so that the democrats can get more votes - if you want to blame anyone for the shape our country is in look no further then the liberal democrats - Trump is trying to change things but it will take a long time because many of these problems are so entrenched in our society

And finally - we have the constitutional right to bear arms - we consider that is a basic right of every person to be able to defend themselves - even from the government if necessary - if states or cities enact laws that make it very difficult for a law bidding citizen to obtain a firearm the law in unconstitutional and will be thrown out - I have no problem with not allowing criminals, mentally sick or dangerous people from getting guns - background checks should be improved - the NRA had pushed for such laws - they also pushed for automatic minimum sentences for criminals who use a gun when committing a crime thus taking the sentencing away from liberal judges who give lenient sentences - there are a lot of laws on the books concerning criminals using guns but they are not applied as they should be - just look at illegal immigrants - it is against the law to enter our country without going through proper channels but nobody enforces the law - somethings got to change -

JoePa,

Here is the exact problem with this issue. You stated it yourself, you have a constitutional right to bear arms. That right is extended to every citizen whether they are classified as good or bad. You can't take away that right but you can certainly amend the constitution (however, this act would mean all legislators are on the same page and I don't think there is the political willpower right now in the US for that). Furthermore, when something like this happens, people have a right to voice their opinion that the US needs better gun control and storage laws. However, the second that happens, the usual suspects start to beat their chest about the 2nd amendment and their rights. The right to bear arms and the right to bear a firearms are two very different things. Gun control doesn't take anyone's right to bear arms away, a "bad guy" can still arm themselves with a knife for defense if they can't get a firearm by sensible gun control.

You state the 2nd amendment allows a person to defend themselves from the government if necessary. There has been only one group of people in the history of the US who has been subjected to government oppression and it has never been the group who are the most concerned about losing their "right" to bear a firearm.

Dyth
February 27th, 2018, 10:34 AM
JoePa

Dyth - the founders of this country had just gotten over fighting the oppression of the King of England - they knew that power can corrupt so they wanted to ensure that the citizens had a way of fighting this corruption - most of the constitution limits the power of the government - freedom of speech, freedom from search and seizure, freedom to remain silent - these were written to protect citizens from the government - including taking up arms against the government if needed - and the government could include any governmental agency - including the local cops

To change the constitution it is necessary for two thirds of the states to agree to any change - this will never happen with the 2nd amendment - and as far as the government oppressing people - talk to slaves, talk to native Americans, Japanese, Randy Weaver and the thousands of people mistreated by law enforcement every day -
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February 27th, 2018, 10:50 AM
Dythbringer

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Dyth - the founders of this country had just gotten over fighting the oppression of the King of England - they knew that power can corrupt so they wanted to ensure that the citizens had a way of fighting this corruption - most of the constitution limits the power of the government - freedom of speech, freedom from search and seizure, freedom to remain silent - these were written to protect citizens from the government - including taking up arms against the government if needed - and the government could include any governmental agency - including the local cops

To change the constitution it is necessary for two thirds of the states to agree to any change - this will never happen with the 2nd amendment - and as far as the government oppressing people - talk to slaves, talk to native Americans, Japanese, Randy Weaver and the thousands of people mistreated by law enforcement every day -
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I understand that and what you just posted furthers my points. If the collective willpower isn't there to change the 2nd amendment, nothing will ever change. But I don't think that having armed teachers is the solution to this problem. The real solution is to change the notion the US public has the wording of right to bear arms automatically is synonymous with a firearm and while everyone has a right to defend themselves, not everyone has the privilege to do it with a firearm because of the real danger of misuse by individuals who shouldn't have access to them.
February 27th, 2018, 11:23 AM
last5oh_302

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Trump's plan? Lol

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February 27th, 2018, 02:57 PM
BIG MAC

Joe Pa, you are off the list to have to guard the schools against a shooter, Cadet ''''Donny Bone Spurs'''' said in a Speech Yesterday he will be running into buildings without a Gun to take these Bad Guys out. So all is Safe.

I'm not sure who they pay to go along after Donny Bone Spurs and clean up the he spews but hope he is paid good Money, because it's a 24/7 Job.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

So millions of kids are going to march with a bunch of liberals to take away our gun rights - kids who never had a full time job - never gave society anything but fed off of it all their lives - who know very little about life - they are so willing to give away what thousands of men fought and died for - freedom - gun registration like you have up in Canada is a bad idea because once the government knows who got what guns all it takes is passing a law to pick them up and there goes your right to defend yourself and your country -

And for you guys who think letting teachers have guns if they want to is a bad thing - your out in left field - there are a lot of intelligent people who own guns and know how to use them without endangering by standers - gun free zones are a product of progressive , liberal thinking with the long range intent to take all guns away - as a NRA member and someone who often carries a gun people should be glad that people like me are around when the SHTF - I have enough sense to react properly when and if I am ever faced with a shooter - surprise is a big factor and your ability to use cover when confronting a shooter is important - generally the shooter will spray an area with bullets rather than aim at individual targets - whereas I would be aiming at him from behind cover - he wouldn't have a chance - you better believe it

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