Pay per hunt Land

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Originally Posted by FISH-ON

Would it be the landowner or outfitter that's liable? I would assume outfitter as the hunter hired the outfitter for the service/access
Just curious...

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That's why they have you sign waivers....AND for the most part, to be liable, they would have to prove that you put them in danger..ie a stand that was rotten thru.

I asked my agent when I had a crew come paint my roof...he falls off too bad...unless it was because my roof was faulty.

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Originally Posted by kokes

Not sure why landowners would want to be at the mercy of whoever "landpass" lets on their land..different set of guys every weekend.

Most landowners are smart enough and would rather deal with people they know and trust, especially in these times..

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Landowners have dozens of trespassers every year anyway, might as well get paid for random people on your land.

Not sure if they still advertise in OOD - but woods and waters used to let you join for $1000 per year and hunt several different properties.
But I heard negative reports about the properties - hard to book access to and heavily hunted.

https://www.woodsandwaterontario.com/contact

It must be beef or pork or cash croppers hurting. Dairy and Poultry always make money

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

It's already happening in some areas of southern Ontario. Farmers are really hurting right now,so,if they can make a few bucks from outfitters for permission to allow their clients to hunt,more power to them as long as the landowners clearly understand that once they charge for access,they can be sued and are legally liable if someone gets injured. Charging for access completely negates any liability protection afforded to landowners under The Trespass to Property Act and/or The Occupiers Liability Act. Landowners would be very wise to consult legal advice before entering into any agreement with anyone to allow access under those circumstances. To me,the risks are far too great.

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Originally Posted by FISH-ON

Would it be the landowner or outfitter that's liable? I would assume outfitter as the hunter hired the outfitter for the service/access
Just curious...

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The landowner signed the contract with the outfitter where it's spelled out clearly that the outfitter would be putting hunters on the land for a fee. That leaves the landowner 100% liable to both parties,not just the hunters.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

The landowner signed the contract with the outfitter where it's spelled out clearly that the outfitter would be putting hunters on the land for a fee. That leaves the landowner 100% liable to both parties,not just the hunters.

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A decent lawyer can poke all kinds of holes in any agreement, and even if the landowner wins he still has the hassle and cost of defense. Only he can decide of the risk is worth the reward.
Just saying the guys I know in Niagara would not touch this with a 10' pole, as they have too much to loose.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

It must be beef or pork or cash croppers hurting. Dairy and Poultry always make money

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Price of Beans is very high now, I don't think cash crop farmers are hurting

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Originally Posted by 410001661

A decent lawyer can poke all kinds of holes in any agreement, and even if the landowner wins he still has the hassle and cost of defense. Only he can decide of the risk is worth the reward.
Just saying the guys I know in Niagara would not touch this with a 10' pole, as they have too much to loose.

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That's an absolute fact. Two of the four farms I have permission to hunt are owned by "gentlemen farmers" (a lawyer and an accountant). They have no problem granting permission for myself and one of the boys to hunt because they know they're covered for liability through the Occupiers Liability Act,notwithstanding that I have my own liability insurance,too. All four of them have declined local outfitter's offers,assuring them that they need not inquire,again.

It's been going on for years. Werner linked Woods and Waters. Personally, though I doubt it will happen in my lifetime, I suspect a lot of land will be "locked up" like this. Wheres it's pay to play either through something like this or outfitters. The closer to the GTA the land is, the faster it's going to get locked up. Capitalism at it's finest :) Most of those properties are within 1 hr of the GTA.

Would I?
No, for a handful of reasons. But everyone is different. A lot of people work long hours, have kids to take to hockey/football/dance etc. Doesn't leave a lot of time for scouting, making good with landowners, especially if you live 45 minutes or an hour away. So I can see the draw, especially if filling a tag, while desirable. isn't the be all and end all. As for public land, I avoid such places like the plague. When I go out, I like the solitude and quiet. Like the fact I won't have to contend with 5, 20, or 1 other person, who may or may not bust my hunt, or more.

Would I if I was a landowner?
Nope, wouldn't want the hassle or potential lawsuit. I'd let 2 or 5 guys hunt my land. Help me police it. And if they couldnt work things out amongst themselves I'd find 2-5 that could.

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Originally Posted by crayfish

Price of Beans is very high now, I don't think cash crop farmers are hurting

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I think what GW is referring to is that farmers that have quotas (Dairy, Poultry) are much more immune to the market price fluxuations than farmers that are dealing with the open market such as pork or cash cropping. My buddy is a decent size poultry farmer and last year he was just too busy to plant to he left his 300 acres in fallow.