Do you pursue a wounded animal even if it means trespassing?

If permission to retrieve an animal is denied by the landowner to you as well as an MNR Officer, and the animal is expired in sight, can the landowner not be charged with letting a game animal spoil? Just what I had read somewhere, not sure if it is at all true.
John

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

If permission to retrieve an animal is denied by the landowner to you as well as an MNR Officer, and the animal is expired in sight, can the landowner not be charged with letting a game animal spoil? Just what I had read somewhere, not sure if it is at all true.
John

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No. The landowner had no part in killing it. It would be the same as if it was hit by a car and expired on their property - they aren't responsible for it

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Originally Posted by gbk

This is a fundamental flaw in our system, and no one bothers to use a common sense to fix it to everyone's satisfaction.

If the hunter has to do all reasonable effort to retrieve the wounded animal-WHY the government do not give tools to the hunters to do it?

One tool would be a call in number:-i am here ,side road this and that.I have to enter this property for the purpose of retrieving a wounded animal 'this or that'shot here or there,this way or that way.I will be with 1-2 -3 other hunters.We are entering the 'south' side ,and have intention to be out by ... Name ,licence number etc.
Then if something happens-it is on the hunter,if the owner has complaints-there is a name to go after-if the owner meets them-they are in clear,as long as they abide by rules.

Kind of a limited ,one time" limited right to enter "permit.
I would be all for ,even if they would charge a common fee-like for administration and insurance purposes.

Privilege-so no one can abuse it-if you do-you are done for a life with it.

Then RAISE HUGE the "trespassing to hunt" penalties or suspend the licence for 1 -2 seasons for any trespasser.


We are allowed to do similar call in thing for roadkill..........

Easy-simple.
I do not expect miracles and agreement -but anything else is just going away from real world, and sticking our head in the sand.

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Because it's really not that simple. Youre talking about letting the government give permission for any random hunter to trespass and search a property. Think about the liability that would entail. It's far from simple. You're also not allowed to trespass to get roadkill

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Originally Posted by diverduck

I have done this before. If there was someone to ask we would have. Nowhere nearby to knock at and no easy way to find landowner. Deer had a sparse blood trail and exited the property we where shotgun hunting. Trespassing Is a pretty small deal verses an unrecovered animal In my ethical opinion. I don’t ever trespass to hunt as it’s not ethical to me. However, if an animal is wounded and there is no one to ask permission of, my personal morals dictate that I attempt recovery even if it opens me up to other issues. Your morals and values may be different. As always in life, when people take a course of action, they must be prepared to deal with potential consequences. We certainly where.

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That about sums it up for me too. It's hard to ask permission if it's a late night recovery. I have permission to hunt one property and I'm reluctant to ask the adjacent neighbor about recovery because I might be opening up my permissioned landowner to ridicule from a NON-hunting neighbor. It's so easy to frig up your permission.

That definitely shows 1 very good reason why it can be left there Saber. Kinda leaves it up to the hunter to retrieve and beg forgiveness instead of permission from a moral standpoint. Luckily, this would not be a common occurance in Ontario, at least right now.
John

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

I wouldn't be too concern about a hunter abandoning the pursuit of a wound animal that finds it way on my property, in nature nothing is wasted. I once came across the spinal column and a bit of the pelvic girdle that the coyotes left after cleaning the rest of the deer. I suspect no effort was ever made to even track it. Some hunter probably peppered a bunch of shots at it and figure he missed.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.

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In reality this is not a cut and dry answer. This happened to us 2 years ago during a controlled hunt. We had 4 guys in one large bush lot in tree stands for a morning hunt. We heard some shots on opening morning and which is normal in this area. At about 9:30AM I saw two hunters cross the hedgerow walk across the field and into the bush when they spotted me. I asked them WTF are they doing trespassing. They said they are looking for a wounded deer. I told them to go back and call the landowner (they had his number and he will answer when he is done hunting). I did not see it but another hunter from their group walked around and in from the north and ran into the farmer who lost it him.

By the time I walked over everyone was there. The farmer was pissed for the simple reason - respect. The other guys knew we were hunting that morning and made a conscious decision to walk in and screw our hunt up to recover the deer they thought may have wandered over here. He explained that he does get that much opportunity to hunt and that mornings are best because he will probably be on the combine in the afternoon once the dew dries up. If they had called or sent him a text he would have allowed them to look for the deer and hell......would have helped in the search after we were done hunting but the way they handled it was wrong. Respect and common courtesy goes a long way when there people are hunting the same week in the same area.

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

Because it's really not that simple. Youre talking about letting the government give permission for any random hunter to trespass and search a property. Think about the liability that would entail. It's far from simple. You're also not allowed to trespass to get roadkill

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Hi blasted saber-i know it would not be simple-hovewer,if we ignore this problem ,we are just sticking our head in the sand.
Liability can be resolved too(i made some suggestions).

If there is a will -there is a way.
The Governement seems to cater to no one,and leaving this issue to: if happens-if it is reported-if it will be an issue-we will deal with it.
Solves nothing.

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

Because it's really not that simple. Youre talking about letting the government give permission for any random hunter to trespass and search a property. Think about the liability that would entail. It's far from simple. You're also not allowed to trespass to get roadkill

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Agree with you. An sort of thoughts towards this would have to involve a government agent going in to retrieve the deer (police, CO, etc) - not the hunter. Someone that is going to accept 100% responsibility for anything that happens to them and also responsibility for any damage they do. I can't see that happening.

If I had an email address I would email the Ask a CO and get an answer to this question

I would like to add the common sense must be used by some hunters. I have a few neighbors up my way that are on 10 acre lots.

This would seem to be reasonable to hunt but is it really? Their frontage is about 130feet wide and they are then onto their neighbors property if a deer runs north or south .So not big enough to hunt without some problems.