Your Rights to Decline Mandatory Covid Measures

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Originally Posted by MarkB

The vaccine will also reduce or completely eliminate the symptoms of the disease, including prevention of coughing, running noses and sneezing ... which will reduce the prime mechanisms which spread the virus. So vaccination may in fact help reduce transmission simply due to that. I do agree that being vaccine does not mean you cannot carry and spread the virus ... and therefore masks and proper hygiene should continue to be practiced until sufficient heard immunity is established.

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You make a reasonable comment. Therapeutic drugs will also do the same. Problem is that the flawed PCR testing they insist on utilizing on asymptomatic people is still driving their numbers.
You may test positive but are not necessarily contagious. This has been proven many times over now. Testing should only be done in conjunction with symptoms.

Bottom line is like with any other bouts of influenza, if your not feeling well stay home in bed.

If you're sick with a cold or flu what's the point of staying in bed and hiding under the covers? I'd much prefer to be outside soaking up the sun, and if I have any energy I'll be puttering around in the back yard or garage or even, heaven forbid, out on the lake dragging my favorite rapapla around.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Jake pick one ... you are free to get everyone sick because you don't want to follow rules. OR you are free not to follow the rules, but don't dare put anyone else at risk. WHAT gives someone the right to break the rules and get me sick in the process???? They DO NOT have that right. It's like saying ... I'm gonna get drunk and then get in a car ... because I don't care about the laws ... and oh, it's okay if I kill a few people while doing that. It's pure ABSURDITY to think that way.

If you don't want to get the vaccine or wear a mask, fine ... but then you'll be obligated to ensure you do not get others that are following the rules sick. Don't ask me how that gets implemented ... I don't know, I haven't thought about it ... but my point is, you have a duty to prevent others from getting sick. People that know their sick and do not use proper due diligence to prevent others from getting sick have been charged in the past (HIV transmission).

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Life involves risk. The rights of your fellow citizens do not stop where your fear begins.

This isn't as black and white or either/or as you say. We need to determine the actual risk of COVID, not what the media says, not what the government says but what is the real risk. We need to sort out the PCR tests and get some real numbers. Show me the science and I'm all in. Everything they are doing regarding COVID is unscientific. All these out of proportion measures for a virus with a survivability of 99%. Lets put all this in a little perspective. Do we need to start doing the same with the flu? What happened to the flu?

If the lockdowns work why do we keep needing them. If six feet works why the masks, if masks work why the six feet. If the vaccine works why do you still need to mask and distance. You need the second vaccine dose after 21 days oh no wait now you don't. You can't mix first and second shots from different manufacturers oh wait now you can. Asymptomatic spread is not real, oh wait now it is. You don't need to wear masks oh wait now you need two. Stop the insanity.

If you have to be constantly told there is a pandemic there isn't one. If you have to be tested to find out if you have the virus something is up. Without the media most of us would not know that anything was wrong. For every one nurse in a family that talks about full hospitals and the world coming to an end there are 5 other nurses out there talking about empty beds or doing tick tok dance videos. Were any of the emergency hospitals used?

Everyone talks about the responsibly to do no harm to others as an excuse for the COVID measures. What about the suicides, overdoses, people dead due to lack of medical care or cancelled surgeries, missed cancer treatments and diagnosis. Where does their harm fit into this. Is the responsibility to do no harm to them less than others? Have more people died from these things than COVID? There is an argument for that.

I know people have lost loved ones and that's a tragedy but it's not the catastrophe the government would have us believe.

Covid is real but this is getting out of hand. Protect the vulnerable and let this thing run its course. As far as due diligence goes, if you're sick, stay home.

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

Life involves risk. The rights of your fellow citizens do not stop where your fear begins.

This isn't as black and white or either/or as you say. We need to determine the actual risk of COVID, not what the media says, not what the government says but what is the real risk. We need to sort out the PCR tests and get some real numbers. Show me the science and I'm all in. Everything they are doing regarding COVID is unscientific. All these out of proportion measures for a virus with a survivability of 99%. Lets put all this in a little perspective. Do we need to start doing the same with the flu? What happened to the flu?

If the lockdowns work why do we keep needing them. If six feet works why the masks, if masks work why the six feet. If the vaccine works why do you still need to mask and distance. You need the second vaccine dose after 21 days oh no wait now you don't. You can't mix first and second shots from different manufacturers oh wait now you can. Asymptomatic spread is not real, oh wait now it is. You don't need to wear masks oh wait now you need two. Stop the insanity.

If you have to be constantly told there is a pandemic there isn't one. If you have to be tested to find out if you have the virus something is up. Without the media most of us would not know that anything was wrong. For everyone one nurse in a family that talks about full hospitals and the world coming to an end there are 5 other nurses out there talking about empty beds or doing tick tok dance videos. Were any of the emergency hospitals used?

Everyone talks about the responsibly to do no harm to others as an excuse for the COVID measures. What about the suicides, overdoses, people dead do to lack of medical care or cancelled surgeries, missed cancer treatments and diagnosis. Where does their harm fit into this. Is the responsibility to do no harm to them less than others? Have more people died from these things than COVID? There is an argument for that.

I know people have lost loved ones and that's a tragedy but it's not the catastrophe the government would have us believe.

Covid is real but this is getting out of hand. Protect the vulnerable and let this thing run its course. As far a due diligence goes, if you're sick, stay home.

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Truer words were never spoken, well said.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

If you're sick with a cold or flu what's the point of staying in bed and hiding under the covers? I'd much prefer to be outside soaking up the sun, and if I have any energy I'll be puttering around in the back yard or garage or even, heaven forbid, out on the lake dragging my favorite rapapla around.

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Isn't that the best way to feel better. If I stay inside and mop around I feel Worse. Go outside and sweat it out or at least get moving always does the body good. I don't mean go walk around the local store either...like outside outside lol

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

Truer words were never spoken, well said.

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X2. Yes very well said. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by sawbill

If you're sick with a cold or flu what's the point of staying in bed and hiding under the covers? I'd much prefer to be outside soaking up the sun, and if I have any energy I'll be puttering around in the back yard or garage or even, heaven forbid, out on the lake dragging my favorite rapapla around.

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Just curious... what is your favourite Rapala lure. ;)

So ,there is the stay home order.
I can not go to one of my favorite places-Luther Marsh.It is closed due of COVID, since this morning.

Luther falls under GRCA.
GRCA maintains over a dozen of Parks.
Many are STILL OPEN. Most of them are close to populated places.
Thus they have a higher chance of being overrun by many.
Many ppl = high chance of transmitting the virus(or so we were told)See all the closures of businesses and else..............

Bellwood is open-yet Luther is not.
Luther-where ,at best ,10-15 cars park at the main entrance,and 3 at best, at side entrances(not in the hunting season- now, in the spring).

I am pretty sure GRCA has all the explanations why it is like that.


These kind of things erode all the trust in any measures, Government (or its affiliates)come up with.

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Originally Posted by gbk

So ,there is the stay home order.
I can not go to one of my favorite places-Luther Marsh.It is closed due of COVID, since this morning.

Luther falls under GRCA.
GRCA maintains over a dozen of Parks.
Many are STILL OPEN. Most of them are close to populated places.
Thus they have a higher chance of being overrun by many.
Many ppl = high chance of transmitting the virus(or so we were told)See all the closures of businesses and else..............

Bellwood is open-yet Luther is not.
Luther-where ,at best ,10-15 cars park at the main entrance,and 3 at best, at side entrances(not in the hunting season- now, in the spring).

I am pretty sure GRCA has all the explanations why it is like that.

These kind of things erode all the trust in any measures, Government (or its affiliates)come up with.

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Governments either go too far or not far enough. There does not see to be a middle ground. How does it make any sense that golf courses and gun clubs are open but some parks are closed?