Andrew Cuomo...bye bye

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

One of my jobs in the company I worked for was to investigate claims of harassment (sexual or mental) reported to management. I won't elaborate on this forum for obvious reasons,but,one of the phenomena I (we) found was that for every allegation,there was always several other women who lined up behind the original complainant making allegations of their own against the accused. It was almost like a game of female "oneupmanship" to see who could come up with the most exaggerations to bolster the complaint. We always took these one step at a time and usually resolved the complaints successfully one way or the other. Once we started to investigate subsequent complaints,every last one of them turned out as unfounded allegations (polite term for bald-faced lies),but,I digress. The bottom line was that in every incident,not one time were they ever called to account. The company always elected to ignore them completely rather than make an issue. That was extremely frustrating.

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Yes, and the Crowns were reluctant to pursue criminal charges against these “victims”. The person accused still suffered because of the false allegations……

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Yes, and the Crowns were reluctant to pursue criminal charges against these “victims”. The person accused still suffered because of the false allegations……

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In this day and age where every victim statement should be videotaped a good investigator should caution every alleged victim about public mischief and this charge should be laid where an allegation is found to be false. I know its a he said she said, but in a lot of cases it can be proven that the offence could not have taken place as stated.

In Cuomo case it was more than once with multiple women. He got what was coming to him. Hopefully CNN dump his radical leftist brother.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Then there's Biden, he's a child gropper. Witnessed by millions, live on air, and yet he became President. :)

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Hunters laptop revealed the Bidens ran a sex trafficking ring.
That's why the FBI hid it for a year until after the election.
Could you imagine Gilroy trying to solve a case for you if you needed a police investigation.
It'd probably go something like this.
Me: yes officer, I want to report that a woman jumped out of her car and grabbed my dog out of my front yard and drove away.
Officer Gilroy: I'll get right on the case.

6 o'clock news: A man is outraged after he was wrongfully arrested for eating his own dog and filing a false claim. In other news, a woman gets mauled by dog in her own car and tells paramedics it's not her dog and not sure how it got in her car. More to this story at 11.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

In this day and age where every victim statement should be videotaped a good investigator should caution every alleged victim about public mischief and this charge should be laid where an allegation is found to be false. I know its a he said she said, but in a lot of cases it can be proven that the offence could not have taken place as stated.

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I support making it as easy as possible of a process for true victims.

I also support charging false victims with the penalty associated with the accusation, if they are found to be lying.

I think the way to go about doing that is to assume a victim is a true victim, until proven otherwise.
The law (an amendment thereof) would take care of the situation where a false victim is without a doubt found to be fabricating the truth,
and it should be pursued.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Workplace abuse can go for months, years. If your employers the abuser, report to who?..

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It is hard to give a general response to fit all situations - but if you work for a large company and some employee is out of line you go to higher ups - if they don't do something about it you bring a law suit - if it's the owner of a small business you quit or get enough evidence and sue the owner - the trouble is these women come out of the wood work years alter and you wonder what kept them so quiet for so long - can you believe them - what stops some babe from claiming the Canadaman30 grabbed her my the boobs 10 years ago -

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

In this day and age where every victim statement should be videotaped a good investigator should caution every alleged victim about public mischief and this charge should be laid where an allegation is found to be false. I know its a he said she said, but in a lot of cases it can be proven that the offence could not have taken place as stated.

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All our similar statements were KGB’d (recorded). Crowns would not entertain charges even then….

When the MeToo movement exploded and dominated the news before the current mess, our man Turdeau was on TV saying that “we have to believe the victims foremost”….(except his victims of course)….but what struck me was the notion that the presumption of innocence seemed to be thrown out the window. The cornerstone of Western judicial process vanished like a fart in the wind.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

When the MeToo movement exploded and dominated the news before the current mess, our man Turdeau was on TV saying that “we have to believe the victims foremost”….(except his victims of course)….but what struck me was the notion that the presumption of innocence seemed to be thrown out the window. The cornerstone of Western judicial process vanished like a fart in the wind.

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Just want to clarify the statement - process vanished like a fart in the wind - a fart in the wind does't vanish - the guy down wind gets a shot a it -

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

All our similar statements were KGB’d (recorded). Crowns would not entertain charges even then….

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Yeh the prevailing thought is that the system does not want to deter or discourage any person coming forward. Which is fine for the "system" every body is happy except the poor sod who gets charged and has very little recourse, I guess if you have deep enough pockets you can sue the false accuser, but it sure makes that process easier if they just got convicted of public mischief.