GRANT: Vaccines will never eliminate COVID

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Many people who were vaccinated, I’d wager the majority, had a very blasé attitude towards the vaccine. They got seduced by promises of freedom and a return to normal when those things have not been granted to them.

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The vaccinated are far closer to normal than the anti-vaxxers. Travel, sporting events, concerts, movies, restaurant dining, etc. are all available to us. Meanwhile, anti-vaxxers are going on unpaid leave, losing their jobs, being thrown of universities and banned from public gatherings. Even though they are excluded from places where the risk of transmission is higher the not fully-vaccinated represent 80% of current COVID ICU cases but less than 15% of the general population.

Very soon the vaccinated will be losing their status unless they submit to a 3rd booster shot, and a fourth, and a fifth.
Trading fundamental liberties for a jab. How intelligent is that?

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Originally the vaccine was to prevent infection and transmission of the Virus

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....On Nov. 18, Pfizer released updated results of its Phase 3 clinical trials, suggesting the vaccine is 95 per cent effective at preventing COVID-19, a little over a week after releasing interim results showing the vaccine may be 90 per cent effective. Moderna announced on Nov. 16 that preliminary data from its ongoing Phase 3 clinical trial shows the vaccine is 94.5 per cent effective at preventing COVID-19. On Nov 23, Astra Zeneca announced their vaccine appeared to be 70 per cent effective against the novel coronavirus. On Jan 21, 2021 Johnson and Johnson announced their vaccine was 85% effective overall in preventing severe disease and demonstrated complete protection against COVID-19 related hospitalization and death as of day 28.

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Well that failed so the Dr.s changed their position, Ohh well at least it prevents you from getting sick..

As of today ,in Ont, there are 168 hospitalized patients with Covid...104 (62%) are unvaccinated and 64 (38%) are vaccianted.

So it's failing to keep you from getting infected and failing to keep you from getting sick....

Seriously sick (ICU) patients are still, as it was in the beginning, mostly 60+ yr of age with underlying issues like autoimmune and commodity disease. Same as it was before the vaccine was available. With the waining efficacy of the vaccine with time, that number will continue to climb unless Boosters are provided to those people (which is what they are doing now).

As for the rest (under 60 /healthy) ...getting Booster will not change to outcome. The virus will always be with us, in both the fully vaxxed and the unvaxxed... .

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

I hope you don't trust the government...

From a whistleblower. Canadian Immunization Registry. An awful lot of data here:

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It’s the “Reserved for future use” lines that's perhaps the most worrisome.

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I do not trust the government completely, no.
But I don't think the government is 100% lying to us either ... like that would be just stupid.

I try and match data with my personal experience, and first hand discussions with experienced
people.

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Originally Posted by smitty55

Mark, again I see you assuming things without evidence. You claim that most people thought hard about it and/or used critical thinking before deciding to take the jab. How do you know this? I would counter that by saying the decision most made was brought on by coercion from government officials and employers stating that if you want to keep your job, enter a business, go to a sports facility, cross borders, go to a concert or restaurant etc, then in reality you really had not much choice left about getting the jab. So my question to you is if none of these freedom restricting measures had been taken what percentage of the population would actually have willingly taken the shot initially, and now with all the evidence of severe adverse effects would still gladly line up for the boosters?

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I know this because EVERY SINGLE PERSON I have spoken to (literally over 100 people, at work, friends, family, etc), did think about taking the jab.
I actually DO NOT PERSONALLY KNOW a single person who just blindly and gleefully took the jab. THAT's HOW KNOW THIS, from my subset of data!
It is REAL, no third party involved, no trust required, it's my data!

So, your counter is incorrect ... I take for example my company that has 1600 people in GTA ... 90% took the vaccine without ANY policy or coercion!

You guys can speculate all you want ... but my data is real, and that's what I believe.

I've told you guys all numerous times, I don't just believe any data published, I rather confirm with REAL data that I acquire.

As you know Booster uptake has been slow ... and that exactly supports my point that even the majority of the vaccinated do think. We believe we have taken two shots, and that is enough, and now want to wait and see what happens. If we were all just blindly taking the first shots, then why aren't people just blindly taking Boosters??

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Originally the vaccine was to prevent infection and transmission of the Virus



Well that failed so the Dr.s changed their position, Ohh well at least it prevents you from getting sick..

As of today ,in Ont, there are 168 hospitalized patients with Covid...104 (62%) are unvaccinated and 64 (38%) are vaccianted.

So it's failing to keep you from getting infected and failing to keep you from getting sick....

Seriously sick (ICU) patients are still, as it was in the beginning, mostly 60+ yr of age with underlying issues like autoimmune and commodity disease. Same as it was before the vaccine was available. With the waining efficacy of the vaccine with time, that number will continue to climb unless Boosters are provided to those people (which is what they are doing now).

As for the rest (under 60 /healthy) ...getting Booster will not change to outcome. The virus will always be with us, in both the fully vaxxed and the unvaxxed... .

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104 / 1 million = 104 per million
64 / 12 million = 5.3 per million

20x reduction in ICU severity for those that are vaccinated!! Vaccine is working, thank you for confirming that with the numbers you published!

Still stuck on grade 5 math. PER CAPITA MIKE, PER CAPITA ... you can do it!

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Originally the vaccine was to prevent infection and transmission of the Virus



Well that failed so the Dr.s changed their position, Ohh well at least it prevents you from getting sick..

As of today ,in Ont, there are 168 hospitalized patients with Covid...104 (62%) are unvaccinated and 64 (38%) are vaccianted.

So it's failing to keep you from getting infected and failing to keep you from getting sick....

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The vaccines dont stop you from getting or transmitting it. Six family members of mine got covid, three where vaccinated, three were not. We do know for sure two of the vaccinated passed to others. Two were hospitalized, one was vaccinated one was not.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

The vaccines dont stop you from getting or transmitting it. Six family members of mine got covid, three where vaccinated, three were not. We do know for sure two of the vaccinated passed to others. Two were hospitalized, one was vaccinated one was not.

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Interesting data.

For the two hospitalized, what was the age? Genuine question ... because this is what I call real data, not something from the press (CNN or Rebel news).
Was there any difference in the severity (did one get much more sick than other, or about the same)?

Vaxx for me is to simply reduce the severity of illness in the majority of people (ie. not 100% efficient, but >90%).

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Originally Posted by MarkB

I've told you guys all numerous times, I don't just believe any data published, I rather confirm with REAL data that I acquire.

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Well that helps to explains a lot...maybe you should hang with a better crowd because I trust data from Health Canada/Ont contributors WAY before I believe what one of your friends told you ..HaHa...yes I'm laughing at you...:)

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

The vaccines dont stop you from getting or transmitting it. Six family members of mine got covid, three where vaccinated, three were not. We do know for sure two of the vaccinated passed to others. Two were hospitalized, one was vaccinated one was not.

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That's pretty much what life is going to be like from here on in, segregating the vaccinated only keeps the transmission of the virus within the QR group so that's a good thing. :)