New bait rules

Bought my first bait of the season at Norland Bait and tackle. The bait you buy there is good for the central BMZ. Made me shake my head when I saw it was all Emerald Shiners, so it's obvious that the supplier brought it in from Lake Simcoe, which is in the southern BMZ. It was $6.99 per scoop and you got about 15 shiners 2-3" long. They charged an extra 75 cents to put them in a plastic bag with air. $8.75 in total. The quantity indicated on the receipt says "1 scoop" rather than an actual count.

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Originally Posted by DanO

I understand the concern by the MNR but I own a cottage in a different WMU and I trap my own minnows. Now I need to buy the minnows or more likely do without them. I'm wondering why if you own property in the area that wouldn't be acceptable since you likely trap your own minnows at your secondary property.

I hear Berkley and other scented bait makers cheering. I think they've been lobbying the MNR for years as they did in Quebec. You should see what happened to the price of dew worms once minnows were banned.

Local bait shops will up their sales as well. We don't even have a local bait shop in the area.

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We should be able to catch our own minnows as long as you are using them in same BMZ. Quote from government website
https://www.ontario.ca/page/sustaina...gement-ontario
"Fishing with bait
Laws/rules
By law, you need a valid fishing licence (such as sport or conservation) to catch your own live:

• baitfish
• leeches
• crayfish
• northern leopard frogs "

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Originally Posted by fishing

We should be able to catch our own minnows as long as you are using them in same BMZ. Quote from government website
https://www.ontario.ca/page/sustaina...gement-ontario
"Fishing with bait
Laws/rules
By law, you need a valid fishing licence (such as sport or conservation) to catch your own live:

• baitfish
• leeches
• crayfish
• northern leopard frogs "

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I think you better read it again?

"Effective January 1, 2022, anglers fishing outside of their home BMZ are required to:

purchase baitfish and leeches from a commercial licence holder (such as a bait shop) in the BMZ where they are fishing"

So if I go fishing up at my cottage in a different BMZ than my home address and I am fishing with my neighbor that lives there can I use the bait he catches or do I need to bring my own?

What about when my friend drives up from Muskoka, to fish with me near my place in Kirkland Lake for a few days? I catch my own minnows, in my own private pond for bait. Can he use my minnows, or does he have to bring his own?

Does each traveling fisherman in a group, need to bring their own bait, or can a person in the group from that zone supply their friends?

MC

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Originally Posted by Fenelon

Bought my first bait of the season at Norland Bait and tackle. The bait you buy there is good for the central BMZ. Made me shake my head when I saw it was all Emerald Shiners, so it's obvious that the supplier brought it in from Lake Simcoe, which is in the southern BMZ. It was $6.99 per scoop and you got about 15 shiners 2-3" long. They charged an extra 75 cents to put them in a plastic bag with air. $8.75 in total. The quantity indicated on the receipt says "1 scoop" rather than an actual count.

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Were around $6.50 for 12 shiners including air and bag lol.

Good point on those shiners, during the holidays the bait shop girl told me to keep sales receipt to prove minnows came from same place I fish. I asked her if shiners came from around here, she quickly replied no from down.... then stopped realising, the implication then saying she wasn't sure?
Confusing, as if CO's have time for that. The intent is good but sounds more like a money grab.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

The intent is good but sounds more like a money grab.

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I truly think the intent was good but it was poorly thought out.

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

I'm sure a lot of small vendors won't be too happy with this setup, as a lot of sales are "cash". It goes right into their pockets without any reporting of income.

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I've never got a "bill of sale" with bait. Cash register receipt at best, but it doesn't show count.

Upstream of all this, what problem was the MNR trying to solve with these changes?

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Originally Posted by bukduc

So if I go fishing up at my cottage in a different BMZ than my home address and I am fishing with my neighbor that lives there can I use the bait he catches or do I need to bring my own?

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Originally Posted by mastercaster

What about when my friend drives up from Muskoka, to fish with me near my place in Kirkland Lake for a few days? I catch my own minnows, in my own private pond for bait. Can he use my minnows, or does he have to bring his own?

Does each traveling fisherman in a group, need to bring their own bait, or can a person in the group from that zone supply their friends?

MC

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Interesting scenarios. I hadn't thought of that and most likely, the MNR overlooked all the minute details also? It will be left up to the CO's to sort that mess out, as if they don't already have enough to do?