Butcher Price Eastern Ontario

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Originally Posted by Fox

I did not think Hendersons had a fire, that was the place up near the 417.

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Your right I accidentally was looking at Henerson's Meat.. in Montana..they had a fire ... Haha...

Silly I can butcher a deer at home and share it but I cannot butcher live stock and share it.

Most likely nobody in my area would rat but I know in Carlsbad Spring a farmer and a neighbor butchered a pig and another neighbor rated and they got thousands in fines.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Silly I can butcher a deer at home and share it but I cannot butcher live stock and share it.

Most likely nobody in my area would rat but I know in Carlsbad Spring a farmer and a neighbor butchered a pig and another neighbor rated and they got thousands in fines.

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The guy in Carlsbad Springs was friend of mine - Mark Tijjsen. He beat the MNRF and sued them. But it would have been a 10k or so fine if he'd lost. Not only did the neighbour rat on him, he also allowed the MNRF to set up a sting operation in his kids treehouse overlooking Mark's yard. MNRF also trespassed when he was at work to take pictures for evidence - no warrant.

The difference with a deer is that no one would make a business out of it. Instead of drawing the line around what's a business and what is sharing with friends, the MNRF draws the line between wild and domestic animals, as well as the rule about meat leaving the property. I think the letter of the law is actually 20kg limit, not that none can leave.

My thoughts are that the laws are not that unreasonable, but the enforcement is *always* completely botched by MNRF people with some sort of Napoleon complex. These regulations are supposed to be based on voluntary compliance, not criminal charges being laid, except where there is refusal to comply. That's how they work with the big meat plants - if inspectors find something non-compliant, they work with the business to resolve the issue. With individuals, the first approach is to lay charges.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

The guy in Carlsbad Springs was friend of mine - Mark Tijjsen. He beat the MNRF and sued them. But it would have been a 10k or so fine if he'd lost. Not only did the neighbour rat on him, he also allowed the MNRF to set up a sting operation in his kids treehouse overlooking Mark's yard. MNRF also trespassed when he was at work to take pictures for evidence - no warrant.

The difference with a deer is that no one would make a business out of it. Instead of drawing the line around what's a business and what is sharing with friends, the MNRF draws the line between wild and domestic animals, as well as the rule about meat leaving the property. I think the letter of the law is actually 20kg limit, not that none can leave.

My thoughts are that the laws are not that unreasonable, but the enforcement is *always* completely botched by MNRF people with some sort of Napoleon complex. These regulations are supposed to be based on voluntary compliance, not criminal charges being laid, except where there is refusal to comply. That's how they work with the big meat plants - if inspectors find something non-compliant, they work with the business to resolve the issue. With individuals, the first approach is to lay charges.

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The MNRF has nothing to do with domestic livestock and there is no weight allowed. There is no amount that you can legally have leave your property in on a self slaughtered animal, period.

There was a guy who let people slaughter lambs on his property north west of Ottawa, he got nailed.

It is illegal to slaughter a rabbit, a chicken, a quail, etc, without a government inspection, that is all.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The MNRF has nothing to do with domestic livestock and there is no weight allowed. There is no amount that you can legally have leave your property in on a self slaughtered animal, period.

There was a guy who let people slaughter lambs on his property north west of Ottawa, he got nailed.

It is illegal to slaughter a rabbit, a chicken, a quail, etc, without a government inspection, that is all.

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Seriously even a rabbit? I know people that raise meat rabbits for family or friends. I never thought it was illegal.

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

Seriously even a rabbit? I know people that raise meat rabbits for family or friends. I never thought it was illegal.

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So, now you see the picture on government over reach?

Prime rib was on sale for 6.99 a pound during the holidays,could of gotten 200 pounds for about 1400. We pick up a bunch left some roasts and cut up a bunch of steaks.

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Originally Posted by impact

So, now you see the picture on government over reach?

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There must be a logical explanation for the level of red tape. I’m not in the know, but maybe it’s like alcohol. You can make moonshine at home but can’t sell it. Possibly because you can’t always trust the source or quality. Just a guess.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The MNRF has nothing to do with domestic livestock and there is no weight allowed. There is no amount that you can legally have leave your property in on a self slaughtered animal, period.

There was a guy who let people slaughter lambs on his property north west of Ottawa, he got nailed.

It is illegal to slaughter a rabbit, a chicken, a quail, etc, without a government inspection, that is all.

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Fox - you've got a few things wrong there. MNRF does the enforcement work for OMFRA.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/...nforcement.htm
"[COLOR=#000000]In Ontario, the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs (OMAFRA[COLOR=#000000]) shares responsibilities for enforcement and compliance of its regulations with the Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR). The legislation is administered by OMAFRA[COLOR=#000000] and enforced by MNR through a team of expert compliance officers and investigators. To ensure successful enforcement, sharp distinctions are drawn between inspectors who monitor for compliance, and investigators who gather evidence for prosecution."

Also, you can slaughter just about anything on your property for your own use on that property, without government inspection.
I believe there is a limit that can be removed - I think this is what Tijjsen beat the charges with.

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

Seriously even a rabbit? I know people that raise meat rabbits for family or friends. I never thought it was illegal.

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You can slaughter a rabbit but it cannot leave your property, you cannot sell or give away any non-inspected domestic meat. If you shoot a wild rabbit you can give it away but not sell it, if you raise it you cannot give it away or sell it unless slaughtered at a licensed facility.