Yep, happens a lot more than you would want to knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ralphy
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Yep, happens a lot more than you would want to knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ralphy
And why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
If the MNRF-as they claim,do their analysis, and come up with the number of tags to be available-those moose tags are OK to be attained.
Considering the average hunter success rate at about 20% , it is actually unfairly taking away opportunities from many many hunters, who want to hunt.
The more we look into it,the more it seems that the new system (without mandatory claiming of the tag awarded )actually works as -push out other guys from the hunt(competition perhaps?!) by applying for the tag, getting the tag, then not claiming the tag.
Why apply if no intention claiming the tag?
Every awarded and not claimed tag actually does pushes out our fellow hunter/hunters,no matter what we say.
And in the old draw we had all the crying about ghost hunters taking opportunities away from other hunters. If this is really true, we now have a draw that is much worse. With the stats to back it up.
After reading this thread, I read the government page regarding the allocation system. I noticed they even have a brief paragraph -
Consider other hunters in the second chance allocation
If you choose not to claim tag awarded in the primary allocation, the tag will become available to other hunters in the second chance allocation. However, if you choose not to claim a tag awarded to you in the second chance allocation, this means nobody will be able to claim that tag, and other hunters may miss the moose hunt entirely.
Please do not apply for a tag in the second chance allocation if you do not intend to claim it.
Yep,25 % of all available tags went to waste!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralphy
4500 tags out of 17000 .Just dug it out few minutes ago.....
We can estimate 18000 hunters(4 hunter per tag avg) were DENIED access to hunting last year!
MNRF claims,they set harvest quota numbers at 50 % for bull moose harvest!
If so-:That makes MORE then 1200 bull moose tags wasted.
(About 13 % of bull tags available AND awarded were not claimed in 2021)
We need to know,that 99% of all available bull tags were AWARDED thru first and second stage!!!!
That number is huge, I wonder if people are reluctant to use points because the system is so new, which would skew the statistics. Although you would have to intentionally enter the second draw. Maybe there are a lot of group members who were successful second draw so only took what they needed?Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
I can't see that many hunters having malicious intent but who's really to say?
Only MNRF can help this to be straightened out.Quote:
Originally Posted by dean.f
They own the system, and people are people. Will use everything to their advantage, regardless of the next guy.
Some may do it on purpose(malicious)some just do it because they can -regardless AND ignoring the hurt they cause.
I agree, if there's no deterrent I have no doubt people will apply anyway to see what they get.
Now you guys get it.
This is grossly unfair to those that want to go but cannot get a tag as the tags are basically reserved for second chance applicants until the end of the season, even if unclaimed.
The MNRF knows this and has known from day one of this “problem”. Why they still have not fixed it in year 2 of the system is the question. Maybe they want the tags not to be used as I said before to reduce # of hunters and the pressure on the moose herd.
From my experience the people I've talked to say its not fair, my group has drawn 7 tags for 8 guys in the last 2 years, 1 went unclaimed last year and 1 will this year because we had to put everyone in the 2nd draw to try a points free cow tag,
These people I've talked to say how is that not fair, well we drive 18 hours, then they call me stupid and say I will keep applying with in 5 hours they say.
So many tags went unused before there just was no way to monitor it because they were paid for before,