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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well the great thing these days is the use of advance science and DNA and forensic investigations. The cause of death of many of these children will be discovered including if they died of disease or from other causes. We are only now learning of the sexual abuse done at the hands of priest's and ministers and COVERED up by the Church for decades. There is absolutely going to be cases of murder discovered when these investigations take place and believe me they will be taking place.

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I have not read about a single grave being excavated for these kinds of investigations. This might be because the findings will not necessarily fit the narrative that has been promoted.

Abuses by the Church, pursue them in court by all means….but don’t hold every white man accountable for it

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Are you trying to tell us that children forced from the hands of their parents by RCMP officers, separated from siblings, deprived of their parents, forced to speak only English, some even later adopted out. That the aboriginal community should be THANKFUL.

The whole idea of taking these children was not to look after them but to "take the Indian out of them" somehow make them fit into colonial society or the white man's world.

Sorry but so far I have not hear ONE SINGLE STORY where a child subject to the residential prison system wanted to THANK THE AUTHORITIES.

Perhaps you can dig up some accounts of this happening and post them for me?

How exactly did this learned TEACHER know they died of tuberculosis, was the teacher around them, was the teacher at the autopsy, was the teacher medically trained?

Children do die of disease and if they are white children their death and cause of death and burial place is marked and recorded.

How come we do not know the cause of death of these children, why are they in UNMARKED graves, why were their no autopsies done.

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Gilroy, I think he made some valid points and that you should not deduce all that you have …

I heard about the BC teacher too….again we see that anyone questioning the official narrative is quickly silenced…

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Originally Posted by warpipe

During a grade 12 classroom a student said priests murdered and tortured students and left them to die in the snow but the teacher stated most in fact died primarily of tuberculosis.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

How exactly did this learned TEACHER know they died of tuberculosis, was the teacher around them, was the teacher at the autopsy, was the teacher medically trained?

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Gilroy, apparently you put a lot of faith into what the grade 12 student say's, but not the teacher. Funny that?

The teacher who was fired has facts on his side. Anglicans who ran the Shingwauk residential school in Sault Ste. Marie kept records of the cause of death of people buried in their cemetery.

Of the 102 bodies buried there 49% of them died of "tuberculosis and related illnesses."

https://ecampusontario.pressbooks.pu...tery-register/

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The teacher who was fired has facts on his side. Anglicans who ran the Shingwauk residential school in Sault Ste. Marie kept records of the cause of death of people buried in their cemetery.

Of the 102 bodies buried there 49% of them died of "tuberculosis and related illnesses."

https://ecampusontario.pressbooks.pu...tery-register/

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Really, how did they all die, tuberculosis back then was a big killer. So some religious denominations were better bookkeepers than others. The fact remains that these indigenous children were remove from their cultural lifestyle, because it was felt, it would be easier by doing so, to indoctrinate them into the colonial lifestyle and assimilate them. That is cultural genocide and our forefathers did it. What transpired while it was being done, I suspect is something that remains to haunt us. In this world of ensuing guilt, it would appear we are the ones left to make things right.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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That’s where I disagree, we should not feel any guilt or responsibility for the unfortunate things that were done by the government and the Catholic Church. I wasn’t even born when this was happening, you don’t punish a kid for his Dad’s crimes. As to the Catholic Church they’ve done so many horrible things, the residual schools are just the tip of the ice burg. One of my friends dad spent several years in a Catholic reform school and was abused in many ways, the nuns used to tie him down and whip him with wires.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Really, how did they all die, tuberculosis back then was a big killer. So some religious denominations were better bookkeepers than others. The fact remains that these indigenous children were remove from their cultural lifestyle, because it was felt, it would be easier by doing so, to indoctrinate them into the colonial lifestyle and assimilate them. That is cultural genocide and our forefathers did it. What transpired while it was being done, I suspect is something that remains to haunt us. In this world of ensuing guilt, it would appear we are the ones left to make things right.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Not arguing those points. The reason I'm familiar with Shingwauk Hall is I grew up in the Sault and it was a short walk from where I lived. It was still open when I was in grade school and there were indigenous students from Shingwauk in our classes. I have a fairly good idea of what they went through and don't need to be lectured. Thanks.

Listen to cbc radio for a bit and they were talking about it. Most of the callers said they like it one callers agreed but said we should be getting them water before we change the anthem.



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Originally Posted by 73hunter

I have not read about a single grave being excavated for these kinds of investigations. This might be because the findings will not necessarily fit the narrative that has been promoted.

Abuses by the Church, pursue them in court by all means….but don’t hold every white man accountable for it

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Early days yet my friend, they can bury the bodies but will not be able to bury the truth.

Every white man will be held responsible as their is only one taxpayers and there will be plenty of civil actions started.

Just remember these Churches were operating under authority of various Canadian Governments as was the RCMP so taxpayers will be paying out in the end.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The teacher who was fired has facts on his side. Anglicans who ran the Shingwauk residential school in Sault Ste. Marie kept records of the cause of death of people buried in their cemetery.

Of the 102 bodies buried there 49% of them died of "tuberculosis and related illnesses."

https://ecampusontario.pressbooks.pu...tery-register/

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Do you believe the Anglicans? Would they have a motive to cover up crimes?