Proposed Changes to Moose Tag Allocation

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

my group has a better chance of getting one of these tags with two chances as one, but then we could get none or we could get two tags when all we really want is one.

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That's the whole crux of issue that new proposal is trying to fix..
By throwing 2 applications in, your group displaces/reduces chances of other groups trying to apply as well..
Essentially, it's the old logic applied in new system (large groups have priority because they have "buying power" - many people that apply just for sakes of applying)


Per my understanding, the idea behind this "must take tag" logic is to evenly distribute opportunities between various groups (large or small) by forcing 1 second chance application (with highest points) per 1 group..

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Originally Posted by alfoldivandor

My suggestion is that getting Moose tag have to be attached to the Wolf hunt success ...
No predator hunt = no Moose tag no moose hunt ...
In some area day and night the Wolfs are howling ,
I guess they hunting and eating Moose meat ...!

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Agreed on predator hunt!
Although, one cannot drop wolf population in long term, but If every hunter takes a wolf in fall, many more moose will make it through the winter.

Wish I could hunt wolves and coyotes in my area 42. But we’re too worried about a wolf/coyote cross so they banned those hunts

Hunters in a large group get to go hunting pretty much every year and enjoy it. A group of two or three stay at home, probably 2 to 3 or four years at a time in a lot of areas and even longer. If you hunt individually or in a small group, you make that choice you cannot complain about larger groups having priority or buy in power. Hunters can apply just for the sake of applying whether they are in a large or small group or as an individual.

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

Hunters in a large group get to go hunting pretty much every year and enjoy it. A group of two or three stay at home, probably 2 to 3 or four years at a time in a lot of areas and even longer. If you hunt individually or in a small group, you make that choice you cannot complain about larger groups having priority or buy in power. Hunters can apply just for the sake of applying whether they are in a large or small group or as an individual.

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

I don’t think that is fair at all with the new system.

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I am not the one complaining [emoji17][emoji17]

Here is the root of the problem
They hunting Moose without licence or tag…🙄😳

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDOpUarKdSI&t=80s

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

Hunters in a large group get to go hunting pretty much every year and enjoy it. A group of two or three stay at home, probably 2 to 3 or four years at a time in a lot of areas and even longer. If you hunt individually or in a small group, you make that choice you cannot complain about larger groups having priority or buy in power. Hunters can apply just for the sake of applying whether they are in a large or small group or as an individual.

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that is the largest benefit of the new system. We are all now equal. I can hunt alone and have the same chance of getting a tag as everyone else. If you want to bring a lot of others along to hunt on your tag that’s great. But at least it’s fair for everyone.
I don’t think many are complaining other than the large groups that used to have an unfair advantage and don’t any longer.

I can hunt alone and have the same chance of getting a tag as everyone else. I don’t think so. In a wildlife management unit where it takes five points to get a bull tag and you hunt by yourself you will get a tag every five or six years. Depending where you live. If you hunt in a group of minimum six hunters, you will go hunting every year. How can anyone say you have the same chance of getting a tag. The ministry has always promoted group hunting, more hunters get to go. if you are able to apply in groups, pull all the successful groups out of the remaining draws that had a hunter with the required points. More chances for the so far unsuccessful hunters in the remaining draws. A win-win for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

I can hunt alone and have the same chance of getting a tag as everyone else. I don’t think so. In a wildlife management unit where it takes five points to get a bull tag and you hunt by yourself you will get a tag every five or six years. Depending where you live. If you hunt in a group of minimum six hunters, you will go hunting every year. How can anyone say you have the same chance of getting a tag. The ministry has always promoted group hunting, more hunters get to go. if you are able to apply in groups, pull all the successful groups out of the remaining draws that had a hunter with the required points. More chances for the so far unsuccessful hunters in the remaining draws. A win-win for everyone.

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only one person gets the tag. I as a solo hunter have the same odds as anyone else.
the fact that groups want to allow a bunch of people hunt under one person’s tag doesn’t change the fact that it’s still only one tag.

sure you can hunt more often but that doesn’t change the statistics that its one tag and it’s fair all around

all the above is obviously not including past accumulated points

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

I can hunt alone and have the same chance of getting a tag as everyone else. I don’t think so. In a wildlife management unit where it takes five points to get a bull tag and you hunt by yourself you will get a tag every five or six years. Depending where you live. If you hunt in a group of minimum six hunters, you will go hunting every year. How can anyone say you have the same chance of getting a tag. The ministry has always promoted group hunting, more hunters get to go. if you are able to apply in groups, pull all the successful groups out of the remaining draws that had a hunter with the required points. More chances for the so far unsuccessful hunters in the remaining draws. A win-win for everyone.

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Ralphy,
There might be some misunderstanding about the scope of argument for the proposed changes.
No one arguing about the fact the large groups will hunt more often due number of group members.. that's ok
However the change "of must take a tag" acts within a scope of single season application. It prevents a situation where large group changes the dynamics of lottery
Eg The example you provide:
10 tags left, 50 hunters with 7 points apply

If your group have 10 hunters with 7 points, if everyone applied, they can effectively block all others from hunting (10 tags awarded you your group, but a single one claimed)

After the change, the 10 various groups will apply for those 10 tags..
Resulting in a single season even distribution; however smaller groups won't be able to apply on year basis, therefore your larger group will have more or less reliable yearly hunts