Access to land

No only people that are true sportsman feel this way if you truly love the sport you would see it my way. I own my own acreage and believe me if you need a extra 1000 bucks to make your farm profitable you best be selling the farm and move into town. Farming is not a hurting industry these days. The sport of hunting depends on new hunters starting out and new hunters won't pay for access or at least not very often. This issues deeper then just extra costs to hunters the future of hunting May very we'll alter because of it. I also view land owners making money of access for the purpose of hunting no different then selling wild meat. What's next

Although I don't own any land in Ontario. My experience with land owners is most want people to respect their land. Most times when I have been turn down to hunt on private land it has been for 1 of 3 reasons. Land owner hunts, land owner is anti hunter, or land owner has had a bad experience with hunters.

So I can understand land owners who don't want people hunting on their land. Some do rent out their land but around here that doesn't happen at least I'm not aware of it.

To get access to land that is private you need to find a way to prove yourself to the owner. Would you want some yahoo lurking around your property with a gun? It's just like going for a job interview.

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Originally Posted by Hardcoreducks

No only people that are true sportsman feel this way if you truly love the sport you would see it my way. I own my own acreage and believe me if you need a extra 1000 bucks to make your farm profitable you best be selling the farm and move into town. Farming is not a hurting industry these days. The sport of hunting depends on new hunters starting out and new hunters won't pay for access or at least not very often. This issues deeper then just extra costs to hunters the future of hunting May very we'll alter because of it. I also view land owners making money of access for the purpose of hunting no different then selling wild meat. What's next

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Originally Posted by Hardcoreducks

No only people that are true sportsman feel this way if you truly love the sport you would see it my way. I own my own acreage and believe me if you need a extra 1000 bucks to make your farm profitable you best be selling the farm and move into town. Farming is not a hurting industry these days. The sport of hunting depends on new hunters starting out and new hunters won't pay for access or at least not very often. This issues deeper then just extra costs to hunters the future of hunting May very we'll alter because of it. I also view land owners making money of access for the purpose of hunting no different then selling wild meat. What's next

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Well I guess I am guilty of not truly loving the sport then. I don't need the the extra money and my land is not farm land. New hunters who don't seem to mind spending money on guns and the latest camo pattern can certainly afford to pay a small premium to increase their odds of success or they can join the many other hunters who choose to hunt on the thousands upon thousands of crown land for free.

The sport hunting is not going to change because private land owners charge for access. The township I live in has more crown land than private land, so help me understand how private land owners are bring the sport hunting industry to its knees.

Selling wild game ? Wow that's stretching it pretty far and obliviously not the case or serveral private land owners and outfitters would be charged for it by now.

When I hear non landowners complaining that Landowners don't share enough I cringe. This is what drives landowners away from sharing. Landowners are not require to share their land nor should they. This is the type of thing that drives them away from even entertaining the thought of sharing. If you own you can do what you want with it. When you do find a land owner who is willing to share please be sure to treat him and his property with the Utmost respect.

A landowner has the right to to a share as he see's fit. If I ever get land I will also make decisions as who can and cannot use it.

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Originally Posted by B Wilson

Well I guess I am guilty of not truly loving the sport then. I don't need the the extra money and my land is not farm land. New hunters who don't seem to mind spending money on guns and the latest camo pattern can certainly afford to pay a small premium to increase their odds of success or they can join the many other hunters who choose to hunt on the thousands upon thousands of crown land for free.

The sport hunting is not going to change because private land owners charge for access. The township I live in has more crown land than private land, so help me understand how private land owners are bring the sport hunting industry to its knees.

Selling wild game ? Wow that's stretching it pretty far and obliviously not the case or serveral private land owners and outfitters would be charged for it by now.

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I was only comparing it to selling meat as it is profiting off the harvest of wild game. If you have that much crown land where you live I am surprised anyone would pay for access. Where Iam from there is basically no crown land only a handful of conservation lands which get way over hunted. I have meet several young hunters who gave up the sport after having no luck with land access. When I started hunting 15 years ago we hunted all around a certain town that held major numbers of waterfowl in its lagoon ponds, we basically knew all the farmers and they knew us growing up in the area. Now we wont even scout the area as we know all access is pay only and not cheap either. The two outfitters in the area bring in almost exclusively Americans and are not good to the lands they hunt we have went in after them and picked up all their hulls and garbage and their also known to be rude and aggressive towards other hunters but because they pay they still get access. I just think the sport would be much better off if paying was not allowed keep the equal playing field for all those love the sport, I worry how bad things will be when my kids start hunting

Some crown land isn't easily to hunt / very rough terrain vs private land with established and maintained trails along with multiple tree stands. Some people don't have the time or the energy to do the crown land route and choose to pay a few bucks to have areas pre scouted. The tree stands are there for a reason.

I can guarantee that if there was any garbage left behind, it would at some point get returned to the creator of the mess.

its unfortunate that the government didn't keep more land for recreation in southern ontario.

With tho all that being said, I don't lease out hunting rights, but I do vigorously stand behind my right to do what ever I want to on my land. That is my point, if a land owner wants to lease hunting rights, they should and if they don't, they don't

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Originally Posted by KennyT

I also saw that Kijiji ad and believe it is more of a brokerage where they are trying to lease up the land for a price and then re-lease access to hunters for a profit. I am basing the following purely on hearsay so feel free to correct me, but I believe such an arrangement may be illegal in Ontario. I would have to research it further to be certain. And while I know that many of us give a bottle, gift cards or other consideration as an expression of appreciation, I think this is an entirely different concept.

I can also tell you I think that it would be a slippery slope if that is the case. For example, I know that in most states, the vast majority of priivate land is leased by huge outfitting companies and that is why their national forests get such pressure. I would welcome more input from someone with more information about this company and the legalities of leasing private land for hunting. Feel free to contact me by PM or post directly here (or perhaps start a new thread, as I am not looking to hi-jack the post). Tks.

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I emailed the guy, he said is kind of like a "kijiji" for individuals who wanna make a profit off there land and other individuals who want to hunt their land ultimately connecting the two parties. They make no profit from the transaction (like kijiji)

That is why fishing and waterfolwing on crown land is so much more enjoyable. One day I plan to hunt my own hunt camp and enjoy my own land and not deal with the bs of asking and getting permission.

As a landowner I find it more logical to let people I already know hunt my land than strangers who just show up to hunt then leave.
In a few months I will need my maple syrup trails packed down. Just need someone with a skidoo to drive over them a few times between now and then. Can't seem to get last years hunters to leave town to give me a hand..... Things like this go a long way.

If you were not so far from me I would be over in a heart beat to help make the maple syrup.

You would think those hunters would jump at the opportunity for an excuse to come out and help make syrup. Beer and Maple, maybe fresh venison cooking at the sametime.

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Originally Posted by patvetzal

As a landowner I find it more logical to let people I already know hunt my land than strangers who just show up to hunt then leave.
In a few months I will need my maple syrup trails packed down. Just need someone with a skidoo to drive over them a few times between now and then. Can't seem to get last years hunters to leave town to give me a hand..... Things like this go a long way.

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