So you can't have a nap while supervising? That's an integral part of hunting for me.
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So you can't have a nap while supervising? That's an integral part of hunting for me.
I've always heard people talk about the "1 gun between them" thing, but have never officially seen a law / rule on it?
This is from the RCMP.
No where on the page does it mention, 1 gun.Quote:
Firearm Owners and Users Aged 18 and Older
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Licence Requirements
It is necessary to have a firearms licencein order to possess or borrow a firearm or to acquire, by any means, a firearm or ammunition.
Exception: A licence is not necessary to borrow a firearm if the borrower remains under the direct and immediate supervision of a properly licensed adult aged 18 or older.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...etaire-eng.htm
And for Minors,
And Further,Quote:
Firearm Users Younger than 18
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Those under 18 years of age are not permitted to bring firearms into Canada or to acquire firearms by any means, even as a gift, but they are allowed to use them under some circumstances.
Minor’s Licence
A minor’s licence permits the borrowing of non-restricted firearms (ordinary rifles and shotguns) for the following activities:
A minor's licence also permits the acquisition of ammunition, unless there is an age restriction under provincial or territorial law.
- target practice
- organized shooting competitions
- hunting
- being instructed in the use of firearms
Again, no mention of only 1 gun.Quote:
Using Firearms Without a Minor’s Licence
Without a minor’s licence, the minor may still use firearms of any class, providing they are under the direct and immediate supervision of someone who is licensed to possess that class of firearm. This generally means that the licensed person must be close enough to them to take immediate action to prevent any unsafe or illegal use of the firearm.
This provision affects cadets and members of other youth organizations who receive instruction in the use of firearms or who take part in target practice. It also applies to young people who go hunting or who use restricted or prohibited firearms in organized shooting competitions.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...mineur-eng.htm
It doesn't, it says:Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
33. Subject to section 34, a person may lend a firearm only if
(a) the person
(i) has reasonable grounds to believe that the borrower holds a licence authorizing the borrower to possess that kind of firearm, and
(ii) in the case of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm, lends the registration certificate for it to the borrower; or
(b) the borrower uses the firearm under the direct and immediate supervision of the person in the same manner in which the person may lawfully use it.
Full Firearms Act here:http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/
I think that interpretation is just that, an interpretation which is typically communicated during the CFSC or by cops, MNR, etc. There is almost no case law precedent for this sort of thing so a judge has never had to decide what "direct and immediate" means. And as it is not defined in the Act, it is up to us to argue about what it means! In truth, until a judge decides and precedent is set, who knows what it means.
Lots of areas like this.
ie., #1 Ammo storage is regulated in the Criminal Code and it is a crime to store ammo "carelessly" but that is not a defined term nor is their any real case law precedent for what "careless" storage of ammo means - how much ammo, how it is stored, where it is stored, etc.
ie #2 the section in the Firearms Act about the storage of non-restricted firearms has the clause "it is not readily accessible to ammunition" - what does readily accessible mean? Lots of CFSC instructors have opinions about it as others do but there is no case law about what "readily accessible" means - ammo 5 feet away from the gun? 3 floors up? In the garage when you gun is under the bed? Similarly there is almost no case law precedent.
So, unless it is defined in the Act or there is case law, use your best judgement and err on the side of caution. Even then, if you run unto an officer who interprets it differently, you may end up in court.
LOL . Again another thread that comes under " interpretation " but by gosh we'll get the " interpretation " right on the money here " . LMAO . I think I'll wait for the " interpretation " of a real judge and if I don't like his " interpretation " . APPEAL . LOL . Odds are I will even win because the law is so vague and maybe even sue . I get a chuckle out of all the wannabe lawyers and judges and heah even co's and cops on here . LMAO . We'll all be posting from behind bars soon with the judicial system of "ood forums " at the helm . LOL
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Originally Posted by brent
I believe the OP asked about hunting,not shooting,specifically. Did I misread the intention? I know when doing any instruction whether formal (which I'm not qualified to do) or informal,it's quite permissible to use any number of firearms. Can someone please clarify?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
wow, opened a can of worms here lol! maybe i will just wait for the PAL to come through thus no issues. i have searched this board and net, thus still no clear cut answer. lots of grey areas, not worth the battle in court if i where asked while hunting.
thanks for all the replies. i will call rcmp tomorrow just to see if i get an answer, will post back if i do.
Mooboy76 is correct. You can hunt or target shoot without a pol/pal if you are under direct supervision of a licensed person.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooboy76
If you have a friend who is willing to let you borrow a gun, you can hunt with him, with 2 guns, and shoot your limit, no problem. Totally legal, as long as you are within arms reach. That is straight from the mouunties. My PAL expired, and I continued to hunt with my dad using his gun. I had a printed email right from the CFC, but tossed it since. Call them, they will tell you the right answer. Asking here will only get you opinions. Half the guys here have no idea what they're talking about!! The people at the cfc defined direct supervision as being within arms reach.
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Come now Sinker . You actually listened to anything from the CFC . I'm surprised you could even understand any voice from there . LOL . Most times I spoke to them I had to guide them through the process and speaking english or french was definately not their mother tongue . I still think I was talking to a call center often in Pakistan or India but I could be wrong and it might have been Syria or something . I do know it wasn't Nuktuk,French or English or any of the Iroquois or Objibway dialects .;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinker
Arms length ? . Well I'm Spiderman . If they told you that then they are full of b.s . But I am spiderman dontcha know . LOL:D:fish:
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Originally Posted by mooboy76