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Guys i do know where your coming from on not trusting outtfitters as far as you can throw them with property, i know alot that are shady too and it wreaks it for all of us. this year was my first guiding for county outfitters and it was a blast, but i still think the most fun hunts you have are with your buddys and mine were. we might not have had 500 mallards cupping ontop of us like one hunt when we had clients but when your buddy misses a chip shot and you get to grill him bout it then u do it...oops lol it makes it fun with lots of laughs. sure some clients you can joke with like that but it takes a while to feel them out.

maybe i should book an outfitter lol jkjk only thing ill do that for is snows

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Originally Posted by STUBBLE BUM

I'll respectfully disagree. A friend of mine has been an outfitter for more than 25 years. He's very passionate about waterfowling and decided to marry his love of duck/goose hunting with his vocation. Guides that treat it as just a job usually don't last long. His operation is a little different as he owns the properties he hunts and it's a static operation more or less with pits and ponds and mixed crop land. He manages his properties for waterfowl. This guy left a great job in the civil service that wasn't satisfying anymore to do something he loved. It certainly wasn't for the money - it was for the freedom of being his own boss and doing what he loved to do on a daily basis.

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I apologize i shouldn't paint all outfitters with a broad brush. Your friend sounds like he must love the sport and his operation probably doesn't affect any local hunters negatively. Mojo good on you for respecting the local hunters and not paying for all your access. It's nice to hear outfitters can co-exist with local hunters. The two outfitting operations in my area do not play nice. If they find we have permission in a hot field and can't hunt it till Saturday they will flash a bunch of money infront of the landowner and hunt it during the week before we get a chance. They will also get one of the scout to sleep at the field to be sure their there first. They are pretty cut throat and have no respect for local hunters. They have actually driven us right out of the area where I grew up hunting. Again sorry I shouldn't have made such a generalized comment

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Originally Posted by Hardcoreducks

I apologize i shouldn't paint all outfitters with a broad brush. Your friend sounds like he must love the sport and his operation probably doesn't affect any local hunters negatively. Mojo good on you for respecting the local hunters and not paying for all your access. It's nice to hear outfitters can co-exist with local hunters. The two outfitting operations in my area do not play nice. If they find we have permission in a hot field and can't hunt it till Saturday they will flash a bunch of money infront of the landowner and hunt it during the week before we get a chance. They will also get one of the scout to sleep at the field to be sure their there first. They are pretty cut throat and have no respect for local hunters. They have actually driven us right out of the area where I grew up hunting. Again sorry I shouldn't have made such a generalized comment

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The way I see it is I grew up in the area I hunt , so I know most of the local hunters and won't on them , I ask permission just like everyone else , I imform the owner what my intentions are , whether a fun buddy hunt , or for purpose to guide , I also personally will not lease land,
i call the landowner the night prior and ask if anyone plans to hunt the field the following morning , if yes I make sure I have a backup plan. As I said I grew up in the small town and had a guide service running around leasing up land , that's not me or will it ever come to that .
As for the guiding part , I don't do it for the money , lets face it , at the end of the day you don't make much , pay for fuel , gear , wear and tear on vehicles ,
and not to mention some days hunting all day to fill limits , it doesn't add up,
i guide because I love the sport, I like passing on my knowledge to new hunters ,
and I know as a guide I have painted a x on my back, I am fine with that , 99 percent of you folks don't know me other than posts, have never hunted with me ? And until you did wouldn't know much about me or the way out company operates, we run a top knotch guide service and have some very reputable hunters from the waterfowl industry coming to hunt with us , that in my books says words ,

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I apologize i shouldn't paint all outfitters with a broad brush. Your friend sounds like he must love the sport and his operation probably doesn't affect any local hunters negatively. Mojo good on you for respecting the local hunters and not paying for all your access. It's nice to hear outfitters can co-exist with local hunters. The two outfitting operations in my area do not play nice. If they find we have permission in a hot field and can't hunt it till Saturday they will flash a bunch of money infront of the landowner and hunt it during the week before we get a chance. They will also get one of the scout to sleep at the field to be sure their there first. They are pretty cut throat and have no respect for local hunters. They have actually driven us right out of the area where I grew up hunting. Again sorry I shouldn't have made such a generalized comment

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hardcore - what I don't understand is why you don't tell the scout who is sleeping in the field to beat it. parking a truck in the field and sitting on it is not hunting it. I would start setting decoys and tell him to move on - and if it didn't he is interfering with your hunt. sometimes you have to push back.

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hardcore - what I don't understand is why you don't tell the scout who is sleeping in the field to beat it. parking a truck in the field and sitting on it is not hunting it. I would start setting decoys and tell him to move on - and if it didn't he is interfering with your hunt. sometimes you have to push back.

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I agree with you but it seems that's the way things are around here now. Used to be you would show up at a field an hour before legal and everything was good now you wouldn't dream of showing up that late 2hrs minimum to make sure your the first one there. We use this same tactic on them if we have to so I guess it goes both ways. Like I said it's pretty cut throat around here a lot of pressure

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Originally Posted by Hardcoreducks

Real hunters don't use guides. Guides are also not real hunters anyone can kill birds when money is involved. I also have a trailer full of decoys and willing to travel. You have lots of options if the birds are around

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Going to have to disagree with your there Sir. But I am also bias as I work at a guiding service. Alot of people go with a guide to see if they will enjoy the sport first before buying $1000+ in decoys. gear etc. Us guides do alot of work for our $ as well . We scout and travel and organize the hunt, set up the spread, camo the blinds etc. just like you guys do but we sacrifice the pulling the trigger part of the hunt. We let our clients do that part. Now yes there are rich city folk that watch Duck Dynasty and that's where alot of the cliental come from, but hey I have no problem taking there $ and putting it towards ammo, and decoys. Can you blame me? What I enjoy most of being a guide though is seeing a youth or father/son come out on their first hunt and seeing that father/son smoke their first bird in the decoys. Makes me smile just typing that sentence! Guides are not real hunters? I would like to know your reasoning for that comment as I for one study the birds ALOT in the field/decoys instead of pulling the trigger so I get to learn a lot from that. Sorry for the rant, I just wanted to share my thoughts.
Brendon

I see Both sides of the coin.. J understand how guides I'm some areas may be taking all the land.. But calling them not real hunters? They are no different than a fishing charter.. Are those guys real fishermen?

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Going to have to disagree with your there Sir. But I am also bias as I work at a guiding service. Alot of people go with a guide to see if they will enjoy the sport first before buying $1000+ in decoys. gear etc. Us guides do alot of work for our $ as well . We scout and travel and organize the hunt, set up the spread, camo the blinds etc. just like you guys do but we sacrifice the pulling the trigger part of the hunt. We let our clients do that part. Now yes there are rich city folk that watch Duck Dynasty and that's where alot of the cliental come from, but hey I have no problem taking there $ and putting it towards ammo, and decoys. Can you blame me? What I enjoy most of being a guide though is seeing a youth or father/son come out on their first hunt and seeing that father/son smoke their first bird in the decoys. Makes me smile just typing that sentence! Guides are not real hunters? I would like to know your reasoning for that comment as I for one study the birds ALOT in the field/decoys instead of pulling the trigger so I get to learn a lot from that. Sorry for the rant, I just wanted to share my thoughts.
Brendon

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Yes I apologize outfitters are hunters too probably better hunters then me. You guys are the true Stewarts of the waterfowling world we should all look up to you and strive to achieve your level of expertise

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Yes I apologize outfitters are hunters too probably better hunters then me. You guys are the true Stewarts of the waterfowling world we should all look up to you and strive to achieve your level of expertise

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Well said lol

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Yes I apologize outfitters are hunters too probably better hunters then me. You guys are the true Stewarts of the waterfowling world we should all look up to you and strive to achieve your level of expertise

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Thats going a little over board , I can see your frustration and totally understand, but it's not fair to fellow hunters and guide services to paint them all the same, I can imagine it would be hard to get land when two different guides are leasing up land hand over fist and very frustrating I am sure , I guess money does really talk when it comes to landowners ,
and in the end it comes down to if your willing to pay to hunt a field ,
which sucks but that's the reality of it .
I as a guide play fair with the locals and don't lease land for soul use, we take care of our farmers but do not by any means ask for soul permission , some farms there are a few groups with permission and we are fine with that , we scout get a hot field and call , if anther hunter has already called than we find something else .
What gets my blood boiling is when hunters (other groups) try and ruin it for us guides, example I run guides , have all the gear which is my personal gear that I use for the guided hunts, we hunted a field a while back , 4 of us , all buddies from back in the day , no money exchanged at all , and the other group that had permission also was pissed because we called and asked to hunt it Friday , they had intentions which we had no idea nor did the farmer that they wanted to hunt it the following day .
So what did these clowns do ? They called the farmer after seeing us in the field and told the farmer we were doing a guided hunt and not informing him of it , the farmer called pretty heated , which I can understand .
That is a blow below the belt and not neccesary , in the end we lost permission for the field because of these lying clowns , but did score permission for 4 fields around it, the saying what goes around comes around. We will see what next fall brings ,

There was absolutely no reason for this other group to start a lie to keep us out and the farmer new in the end that we weren't running a guide that day after speaking with him.

I guess some hunters are like that want it all for themselves and stoop low to keep others out , which isn't right ,