Blame Yourself! Opportunity is knocking. Hunters beat the Anti's!

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Originally Posted by bigr

And we will still have bear issues that will cause this hunt to have to increase areas and hunter as well as Americians.
Thats the plan!
If no bears or not enough bears are taken which I agree will probibly happen,,,, then they have said it will likly change to include more.
Understand?
Over time numbers will be ballanced out so the privite land will not be as much an issue but for now. Lets get the hunt back any way we can!

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I sent them this after the OFAH posted me the link today by e mail and asked for support:


Hello,
I am a retired police officer,land owner,hunter and member of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters.Premier Mike Harris stopped the Spring Bear hunt against the best scientific advice from the MNR,OFAH,Tourist Operators and Hunters.The net result was
loss of income to Northerners and loss of public money via nuisance bear calls.
I respectfully ask that you re instate that hunt.Even although I dont presonally hunt bears I believe its the sensible and ecomomically prudent thing to do.
I would also ask you to consider the waste of gallbladders.As you know "bear gallbladders"
cannot be kept by the hunter from a legally harvested bear.This is a terrible waste of a resource.These gallbladders a very valuable to Oriental people for traditional uses and as such should be saved.They should be submitted to a MNR collection point.The MNR should have a "public auction" for International Oriental Buyers and the proceeds go
50% 50% to the MNR to fund their work and the hunter harvesting the bear.These galls
are worth their "weight in gold".By wasting them now black market prices are higher and
more bears are poached or abused in the Orient and kept for their bile in captivity.
Yours in anticipation, proud Liberal Voter.

Seriously...tell me you didn't just suggest, in writing, that the government should get into selling animals parts for profit ???

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I sent them this after the OFAH posted me the link today by e mail and asked for support:


Hello,
I am a retired police officer,land owner,hunter and member of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters.Premier Mike Harris stopped the Spring Bear hunt against the best scientific advice from the MNR,OFAH,Tourist Operators and Hunters.The net result was
loss of income to Northerners and loss of public money via nuisance bear calls.
I respectfully ask that you re instate that hunt.Even although I dont presonally hunt bears I believe its the sensible and ecomomically prudent thing to do.
I would also ask you to consider the waste of gallbladders.As you know "bear gallbladders"
cannot be kept by the hunter from a legally harvested bear.This is a terrible waste of a resource.These gallbladders a very valuable to Oriental people for traditional uses and as such should be saved.They should be submitted to a MNR collection point.The MNR should have a "public auction" for International Oriental Buyers and the proceeds go
50% 50% to the MNR to fund their work and the hunter harvesting the bear.These galls
are worth their "weight in gold".By wasting them now black market prices are higher and
more bears are poached or abused in the Orient and kept for their bile in captivity.
Yours in anticipation, proud Liberal Voter.

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I can't believe you said that,Gilroy,in writing,no less. What were you thinking? Man,that's all we need,the wholesale slaughter of Black Bears for their galls. It's expressly illegal under any number of laws. I'm sure your letter was instantly deleted.

I think he is saying to have them turned in for free to the mnr so the MNR can sell them. I hope.

Selling of bear galls was legal for many, many years. Then in one year, Poof! it was illegal. Did someone suddenly have a brain PHart? Many in the MNR, OTA and HB Co., biologists included, were not for the change that made the sale illegal.

Add to that, there were very few facts supporting the thought that bears were being shot in Ontario solely for galls, claws or teeth. The sudden removal of a legal supply did only one thing--drive up the value of these parts making the possibility of illegal hunting more plausible.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Selling of bear galls was legal for many, many years. Then in one year, Poof! it was illegal. Did someone suddenly have a brain PHart? Many in the MNR, OTA and HB Co., biologists included, were not for the change that made the sale illegal.

Add to that, there were very few facts supporting the thought that bears were being shot in Ontario solely for galls, claws or teeth. The sudden removal of a legal supply did only one thing--drive up the value of these parts making the possibility of illegal hunting more plausible.

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Thank you Sawbill.

To expand on my thoughts guys I think its stupid to waste gallbladders from Legally harvested bears where you are in fact wasting the most VALUABLE part of the animal.Now its valuable to people in China,Korea and other Oriental cultures.By wasting the part you are actually feeding the black market greed and encouraging poaching.This is about supply and demand.

To give you another example.We have the Royals all getting worked up now about ivory poaching and wholesale killing of elephants.
To stop this countries are burning piles of seized tusks or grinding them down into pulp.Is this helping the elephants.No.Because it inflates the black marker price of ivory.The seized tusks should be auctioned legally to international buyers and would drop the price
of the black market poached tusks.The Royal family in the meantime should concentrate on getting back real Bearskin hats to the Grenader,Coldstream,Irish and Scots Guards instead of the synthetic ones they are now forced to use.

There is no reason why a hunter in Ontario after taking bear legally could not dry the gallbladder and drop it into a MNR checkpoint or office or even a hats for hides depot.Have the gall recorded and bear checked over,be given a receipt and sit back.A full public auction open to international buyers takes place.The proceeds get split which ever way is decided.

I dont know what other Provinces in Canada do in relation to galls but would like input from members that might know.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I can't believe you said that,Gilroy,in writing,no less. What were you thinking? Man,that's all we need,the wholesale slaughter of Black Bears for their galls. It's expressly illegal under any number of laws. I'm sure your letter was instantly deleted.

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I dont think it would be instantly deleted because if it was read properly they would see that I said :
"As you know "bear gallbladders" cannot be kept by the hunter from a legally harvested bear."

Hopefully giving me the courtesy of actually reading the request which you appeared not to do.Thanks.

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Originally Posted by bigr

I think he is saying to have them turned in for free to the mnr so the MNR can sell them. I hope.

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Yes turned in to the MNR with a check made of the gall and bear,receipt given,auction held,proceeds to hunter and ministry.

Really not unlike the hats for hides programme concept,turn in a hide get a hat.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I dont think it would be instantly deleted because if it was read properly they would see that I said :
"As you know "bear gallbladders" cannot be kept by the hunter from a legally harvested bear."

Hopefully giving me the courtesy of actually reading the request which you appeared not to do.Thanks.

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OK,I stand corrected. I understand what you mean.

Comment submitted..... Thanks for the link.

I'm pretty sure we don't use terms like "Oriental" in Canada. And bear bile doesn't do much. UDCA can be synthesized and most people don't even know what it's good for. I don't think we should promote bladder trade. We don't need to invite people from other countries to come here and take our bear bladders.

The term Oriental used in Canada? You're pretty sure but you're also pretty wrong. Just off the top of my head the Canadian National Railways has coined the term 'Oriental Express' for a trans Canada CN passenger train ' which specifically caters to 'Oriental' tourists travelling coast to coast during the summer months. google it if you wish.

Whether you feel bear bile doesn't do much is not relevant when you consider that almost every natural cure used by man from the dawn of time is available in some pill or bottle nowadays. Many people from many different cultures and countrys still prefer the choice of natural cure over plastic.
And if you feel we shouldn't be inviting people from other countries (specifically Asian) to buy our bear galls, then maybe they shouldn't be coming here to buy our furs and our fish either.
So in one fell swoop you've joined the ranks of the antis who would dearly love to see fur trappers, commercial fishermen and hunters put out of business.