What is considered a humane kill shot ?

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Originally Posted by mox72

Proper preperation prevents poor performance

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But that leaves the question,,,, can you say that fast 5 times? :)

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Originally Posted by odm2

Um.....We're still talking hunting right? :o

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Same rules apply!!;)

I see all kind of fish flopping around on the ice for the past four weeks and nobody seems to concern about it.... Funny eh??
But IMO an "ethical" shot is one that will kill an animal in the next few minutes. One that you won't make you wait few hours before retrieving your prey.

Distance the animal travels has nothing to do with the quality of the shot. The first deer I ever shot took precisely 0 steps after the first shot as it was a spine shot. Yet the deer was still plenty alive and required a head shot to finish it off.

Another deer I shot had nothing left of her heart and she ran almost 100m before expiring. She was stone dead within a very short time frame, but traveled relatively far.

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Originally Posted by Goosesniper

I've watched videos where one shot has dropped game. This is obviously the shot everyone wants to make. In other videos I've watched either big game or yotes and the animals did not drop on one shot. In some, the coyote spins for a period of time and you can hear awful noises. In others, I see deer walk 50 yards and fall. I'm sure some skeptics would say any shot is inhumane. What shot would be considered inhumane? In your opinion.

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You can never get this shot it is pure luck I have included a copy and paste done on a study of buffalo makes for some pretty compelling results
NEW EVIDENCE
This epiphany came about a couple of years back when I was passing a pleasant afternoon in a bird-watching blind in the wilds of Namibia. A previous guest had obligingly left a few copies of a South African outdoor magazine and as I idly leafed through the pages my attention was arrested by an article on knockdown effect. It was not the same tired old stuff about ballistics and penetration, but the result of a controlled study carried out by professional veterinarians engaged in a buffalo culling operation.
Whereas virtually all of our opinions about knockdown power are based on isolated examples, the data gathered during the culling operation was taken from a number of animals. Even more important, the animals were then examined and dissected in a scientific manner by professionals.
Predictably, some of the buffalo dropped where they were shot and some didn't, even though all received near-identical hits in the vital heart-lung area. When the brains of all the buffalo were removed, the researchers discovered that those that had been knocked down instantly had suffered massive rupturing of blood vessels in the brain. The brains of animals that hadn't fallen instantly showed no such damage. So what is the connection?
Their conclusion was that the bullets that killed instantly had struck just at the moment of the animal's heartbeat! The arteries to the brain, already carrying a full surge of blood pressure, received a mega-dose of additional pressure from the bullet's impact, thus creating a blood pressure overload and rupturing the vessels.
If this is the key to the "knockdown" mystery, it has answered a lot of previously unanswered questions. It's certainly the best explanation of knockdown I've heard yet, but it also poses a new quandary. How do we time a shot to hit on the beat? Let the debate begin.

Given a choice I'll pick a brain or neck/spine shot. There have been times when I have just not fired because I could not get that clear shot. When I have to put an old dog or wounded/injured animal down for someone else its always a brain shot. Instant lights out...

Yes i read it.. I am just noting that usually these type of controversial topics start out appropriate whether its neck shots or humaine kills it doesnt matter, these usually become a battle between 2 or 3 people after the 5th page and the original issue never gets the proper responses IMO

Well, you're probably right on that count Hunter10.

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Originally Posted by mox72

Proper preperation prevents poor performance

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I thought it was the rule of the 6 p's....;) (If I remember correctly what the US Army engineer told me?)
Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by mark270wsm

You can never get this shot it is pure luck I have included a copy and paste done on a study of buffalo makes for some pretty compelling results
NEW EVIDENCE
This epiphany came about a couple of years back when I was passing a pleasant afternoon in a bird-watching blind in the wilds of Namibia. A previous guest had obligingly left a few copies of a South African outdoor magazine and as I idly leafed through the pages my attention was arrested by an article on knockdown effect. It was not the same tired old stuff about ballistics and penetration, but the result of a controlled study carried out by professional veterinarians engaged in a buffalo culling operation.
Whereas virtually all of our opinions about knockdown power are based on isolated examples, the data gathered during the culling operation was taken from a number of animals. Even more important, the animals were then examined and dissected in a scientific manner by professionals.
Predictably, some of the buffalo dropped where they were shot and some didn't, even though all received near-identical hits in the vital heart-lung area. When the brains of all the buffalo were removed, the researchers discovered that those that had been knocked down instantly had suffered massive rupturing of blood vessels in the brain. The brains of animals that hadn't fallen instantly showed no such damage. So what is the connection?
Their conclusion was that the bullets that killed instantly had struck just at the moment of the animal's heartbeat! The arteries to the brain, already carrying a full surge of blood pressure, received a mega-dose of additional pressure from the bullet's impact, thus creating a blood pressure overload and rupturing the vessels.
If this is the key to the "knockdown" mystery, it has answered a lot of previously unanswered questions. It's certainly the best explanation of knockdown I've heard yet, but it also poses a new quandary. How do we time a shot to hit on the beat? Let the debate begin.

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I'd seriously not look forward to having to pursue and shoot an already shot cape buffalo the second time.