My Friend

Sounds like there are safety concerns as well. It's a tough call on your part but where your safety, as well as others at camp are concerned, there should be no question.

Not much chance of a good, productive future for him with FAS, although no fault of his own.

Under those conditions I doubt you can help him at all, as it is defined in part, by learning disabilities. So I don't see much chance of you improving his conduct when he can't process information and learn from it. Depending on the severity of the FAS of course.

I vote no, odds are low against you improving him and odds are high for disrupting your family relationships.

Tell him the truth, they didnt pull their own weight, and are nit welcome back at the camp. Honesty is the best policy.

No no no no no.

I have read and understood the posts above, and in my fish camps there have been folks who did not get invited back for less than half the issues you mentioned. But that was years ago and I have had aged since then and in my time have had the experience to work with under-priveledged kids and understand the patience required. The answer depends on what kind of experience you want to get out of your camp, and what message you want to deliver. Some of the most influential people in my life had very little contact with me, but in that short time that contact had provided me with life lessons I still cherish today.

Are you kidding ? Personally I don't see anything " friendly" in there actions toward you or your son . Maybe you mean Facebook type friends . NO !!!! It's called tough love:-))

BW, after reading many of your other posts/threads, I am surprised that this would even be a question for you.

Your friend probably knows you well enough from a moral standpoint to understand why he wouldn't be invited back. He might not like it, but he should understand the reasoning.

If your son behaved as his did what would you say and how would you react to it. Time at the hunting camp is so very special, we wait all year for it. Those memories that are made, that time should be shared between you and your son, not having to babysit some spoiled snot who shows no respect for the sport. It is your friends job to raise his son right and hold him accountable. I had people who were friends when it was time to hunt deer at my cabin, but when it was time to cut firewood or work up there, somehow they weren't around. I implemented a rule of mature does and bucks eight points or larger. They went out and shot a 5 pointer. I made a choice and they no longer hunt there. Real friends don't take advantage of you, they will give back as much as they take. I think you know what has to be done. Best of Luck!

If you invited that pair back to hunt with you I would say you deserve what you get. One dose of disrespect for hunting laws, rules etc. and total disrespect of camp ethics should be enough, they would be ex friends if it happened in my camp

Uh no. For one, they seem like safety hazards. Not sure I'd want to be around these guys with guns.