Thanks for all the suggestions, I got one again last night but still not the one I'm after, might have to resort to the kitty litter trick, and Glen thanks for the shelter suggestion but the nearest shelter is 40 km away so that's not going to happen, another thing I'm not sure if a feral cat is considered a wild animal that you can't relocate over 1 or 2 km from its home territory, some of the trappers on here can probably set me straight on that. lol