Bill before Parliament to ban the use of e-collars

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Originally Posted by terrym

I can always switch over to my Gamin Astro but it isn't legal up here. The problem is when the dog goes on point the audible signal tone is very quiet and the ecollar buzzer on the Dogtra is fabulous for locating a dog on point in thick cover. I see this as another incremental nail in the coffin from the anti everything agenda people.

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The Dogtra is a excellent product and the buzzer for locating is great.

Instead of wasting your time debating it on hear.Write your MP to defeat the bill and support the use of training collars.

So sick of hearing of hearing the word "BAN"



Go ahead and ban it, I'll still use it


This is getting ridiculous with "banning"

I got a idea, we put a choke collar on him and give so good old yanks to the neck , continuously of course via a good heel session. Then we try some stimulation , not electrocution on him . Know he can decide.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

There is the kicker "in the right hands ", how many out there actually abuse the use of the e collar....

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Many ... we've seen posts on this forum that amount to misuse of the collar. (No names, no pack drill.) I recently read of one survey of collar users in which not one respondent had read the manual that came with the unit, or could articulate how to properly use it. In that kind of environment, e-collars become an easy target. But the same is probably true of choke chains, prong collars, and so on.

The problem for e-collar users is that the collar has come to symbolize heavy-handed, punishment-based training methods.

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Originally Posted by terrym

The problem is when the dog goes on point the audible signal tone is very quiet and the ecollar buzzer on the Dogtra is fabulous for locating a dog on point in thick cover.

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Yer gonna have to buy yerself one a them close-workin' flushing dogs, Terry.... :)

Can't see it going anywhere, but good waste of time Mr. Stewart

I'd hate to speculate whether this will pass or not. Given the political climate, it may gain some traction.

They are a useful training aid. I've used them in the past ( sparingly). And recommend them for anyone with a high energy dog with a few habits that are hard to break.

If this does go through, as it has in QC, there will likely be two results. 1. People will continue to buy them in the US, and use them up here. 2. Manufacturers will come up with a different kind of collar, that either uses frequency as a point of discomfort for the dog, or possibly a scent dispenser that you might load with a mild form of pepper spray.

It will be interesting to watch.....after I write my MP and give him my opinion.

What I know about hunting dog training could fit on the head of a pin. I know that hunting with them,though,is a marvel to behold. This will be one of those things that catches everyone in a broad net,much like firearms legislation. Going into an election year,no party will ever be the one to appear to go against animal abuse legislation as this is being presented. With an all-party fast-track agreement,this can be put into effect by a stroke of the Governor General's pen. This has more "legs" than you'd think.

I agree.
When a member of the general public sees my dog with the e collar on , I just say, " It is a locator collar. Hear this. ............It's an old dog and can get lost. ........." Well, it is a locator collar. :)

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Manufacturers will come up with a different kind of collar, that either uses frequency as a point of discomfort for the dog, or possibly a scent dispenser that you might load with a mild form of pepper spray.

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Already exists. Citronella collars, touted as a humane alternative to the e-collar, spray a mist of citronella oil in front of the dog's nose. Opponents of e-collars have touted citronella collars as being both more humane and more effective than the evil e-collar, but the claim that they are more effective suggests that they are actually less humane -- dogs respond to them more quickly because they find them more offensive. More recently, some veterinary organizations have come out against citronella collars, saying they should never be used. A dog has a sensitive sniffer and spraying a pungent oil into it is not exactly friendly.

Citronella collars are a perfect example of the nonsense that follows when we apply human standards to other animals.