Snaring questions

Your right, this rule was born out of 80's if I remember correctly. Pet owners was the cause.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I think it has to do with family pets, there are a lot more people and a lot higher chances of a cat or dog getting into a snare.

TR: Just pointing out that we cannot assume that CT is selling legit stuff as snare wire.

I remember this coming up a few years back, the brass wire they had in store would not meet the regulations.

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That rule still doesn't make since why would it cover all South of the Rivers??

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

That rule still doesn't make since why would it cover all South of the Rivers??

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That is the line that they use to separate Northern and Southern Ontario, it is used for waterfowl as well.

Makes no sense though as I believe that the Ontario government does not recognize anything north of Barrie as anything but natural resources.

One of my seven was visited that I can tell. Whatever it was escaped though. I reset them all to proper height and size, plus added more funnelling sticks.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Makes no sense though as I believe that the Ontario government does not recognize anything north of Barrie as anything but natural resources.

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Once, when trying to sign up for a product with PC Financial (after they closed our pavilion), I was asked if I could just drive to either Winnepeg or Sault Ste. Marie to get a signature :-/ . I chose 'no'.

I have a few personal reasons to be against snaring. I've had to remove illegally set snares from my Beagles. However I can understand cultural and heritage reasons for doing it especially for First Nations , Newfoundlanders and many other Canadians that grew up in a very rural setting. I've snared lots of hare myself.
The problem I see is that its to cheap and easy to do and this easily sets the practice up for abuse. Snares are cheap enough to left behind or carelessly lost and not worry about them.
I'm still open to the Idea if it could be controlled, for example .. at the beginning of the season you went to the ministry purchased your serialized snares for a fee, say ten dollars each. Then at the end of the season you would take them all back. This way none are lost or left behind and you would be responsible for any mishaps

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Originally Posted by swampsinger

I have a few personal reasons to be against snaring. I've had to remove illegally set snares from my Beagles. However I can understand cultural and heritage reasons for doing it especially for First Nations , Newfoundlanders and many other Canadians that grew up in a very rural setting. I've snared lots of hare myself.
The problem I see is that its to cheap and easy to do and this easily sets the practice up for abuse. Snares are cheap enough to left behind or carelessly lost and not worry about them.
I'm still open to the Idea if it could be controlled, for example .. at the beginning of the season you went to the ministry purchased your serialized snares for a fee, say ten dollars each. Then at the end of the season you would take them all back. This way none are lost or left behind and you would be responsible for any mishaps ie the neighborhood girl's pet cat.

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Truthfully, I would prefer to hunt my hare with my .22, but lack of time for hunting and a need for some extra meat is my reality. I actually had not considered snaring on crown land; I am just on my own property ~23 acres. I could see how someone could abuse the situation on public land, but I have never actually encountered an errant trap or snare while stomping through the bush up here, so I don't know how prevalent it actually is.

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Originally Posted by swampsinger

I have a few personal reasons to be against snaring. I've had to remove illegally set snares from my Beagles. However I can understand cultural and heritage reasons for doing it especially for First Nations , Newfoundlanders and many other Canadians that grew up in a very rural setting. I've snared lots of hare myself.
The problem I see is that its to cheap and easy to do and this easily sets the practice up for abuse. Snares are cheap enough to left behind or carelessly lost and not worry about them.
I'm still open to the Idea if it could be controlled, for example .. at the beginning of the season you went to the ministry purchased your serialized snares for a fee, say ten dollars each. Then at the end of the season you would take them all back. This way none are lost or left behind and you would be responsible for any mishaps ie the neighborhood girl's pet cat.

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So in a world of increasing cash grabs you would like to see another?

If the neighborhood girls cat is in the middle of the woods it should be fair game. If you let your pets wander the wild at will to wreck whatever havoc they may there's a greater issue at hand.

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Originally Posted by mooboy76

Current spools up here, labelled Hare Snare, are 22ga brass.

I think I've got them set a bit too high.
We are currently getting 5cm+ of snow, so I might not have to adjust them after all!

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Sort of related to discussion. I found an interesting article from 2003 regarding hare snares and marten by-catch. .22ga brass or 6 strand picture wire (low carbon) were the best choices to kill >75% of snared showshoe hare and release >=90% of marten snared (important for Newfoundland due to endangered marten populations).

http://members.shaw.ca/grizzlyjake/Marten2004.pdf

The times in the snares are much longer than I would have thought, but the researchers observed no ill effects from the snare on the marten. Similarly, the times for hares in snares were much longer than I had figured in another study from 1994 addressing a similar issue. EDIT** They were using 20 gauge steel wire, so that could affect results.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3783090

I can try to link to a pdf if anyone wants. Somehow I was able to download two copies of it, but now it wants a subscription.

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Originally Posted by oaknut

So in a world of increasing cash grabs you would like to see another?

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How would you keep it reasonable, easily for areas like Thunder Bay or even Barry's Bay. I'm sure you see the potential problems for areas like the green belt of Ottawa, Nonquon, Fingal and Hullet loaded with snares.