MNR sure messed up the moose hunt

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August 6th, 2015, 08:40 PM
Foxx

I'll tell you how foolish it is closing the hunt for calves in the 1st 2 weeks . Or group of 7 drew 4 cow tags in 16c . Obviously we will not even try to fill all the tags but if we even fill 2 tags, the bears and wolves will probably take care of the calves that these cows would have had with them. We would be just as happy with a cow and her calf and our hunt would be over. How can the MNR not see the system they have in place now that the calves will be left to fend for themselves and this will not happen.
August 6th, 2015, 08:51 PM
B Wilson

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Originally Posted by Foxx

I'll tell you how foolish it is closing the hunt for calves in the 1st 2 weeks . Or group of 7 drew 4 cow tags in 16c . Obviously we will not even try to fill all the tags but if we even fill 2 tags, the bears and wolves will probably take care of the calves that these cows would have had with them. We would be just as happy with a cow and her calf and our hunt would be over. How can the MNR not see the system they have in place now that the calves will be left to fend for themselves and this will not happen.

Doesnt sound like it was going to end well for the calf if you were allowed to use a calf tag either.
August 6th, 2015, 09:09 PM
300Sniper

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Originally Posted by Foxx

I'll tell you how foolish it is closing the hunt for calves in the 1st 2 weeks . Or group of 7 drew 4 cow tags in 16c . Obviously we will not even try to fill all the tags but if we even fill 2 tags, the bears and wolves will probably take care of the calves that these cows would have had with them. We would be just as happy with a cow and her calf and our hunt would be over. How can the MNR not see the system they have in place now that the calves will be left to fend for themselves and this will not happen.

We hunted 16C last year. I can assure you, you do not need to worry about orphaning any calves. You will see more wolf and bear sign then moose sign. 16c is a caribou management zone, they are trying to wipe out the moose to allow the caribou to move in. You'd also be well served to find out all the roads that you can not access...
August 6th, 2015, 09:16 PM
greatwhite

I got my tag my first year applying and then you have to do 3 practice shot if you can't hit the target you don't get your tag. It use to also be once your name was drawn you were suppose to wait for 5 years.

But yes I have know people who never got a tag their whole hunting life.

Have you put your name in at all?

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Originally Posted by Greenhorn

Be careful what you ask for. The lottery favour some and discrimated against others. We have the lottery in NB for moose. Most hunters go from 25-35 years before getting a tag and others even longer,while others get draw very year. About 5,000 tags every year and 65,000 people applying. Price for lottery about $10.00 /year. By rights a person should get a tag every 13 years,it doesn't happen and never will.Some hunters have lots of non hunters applying then become the second gun and kills the moose every year. You don't want a lottery.
August 6th, 2015, 09:27 PM
Foxx

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Originally Posted by JeffBondar

We hunted 16C last year. I can assure you, you do not need to worry about orphaning any calves. You will see more wolf and bear sign then moose sign. 16c is a caribou management zone, they are trying to wipe out the moose to allow the caribou to move in. You'd also be well served to find out all the roads that you can not access...

Yes you are right about the road use. The MNR watch every road all day and even flew over low every afternoon around 4 pm . We were camped near the road and most nights the MNR never went out until after 10 p-m . We did see bears but did get a bull on the Thursday but had not seen a fresh track up until then from Saturday.
August 6th, 2015, 09:42 PM
300Sniper

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Originally Posted by Foxx

Yes you are right about the road use. The MNR watch every road all day and even flew over low every afternoon around 4 pm . We were camped near the road and most nights the MNR never went out until after 10 p-m . We did see bears but did get a bull on the Thursday but had not seen a fresh track up until then from Saturday.

Good for you guys, at least you got one. We went in the 3rd week last year, only 1 moose taken along the whole lenght of airport road and it was shot illegally right on the road. It's tough going up there for moose but grouse are plentiful.
August 6th, 2015, 10:00 PM
Fox

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Originally Posted by JeffBondar

Come on guys, do some research..... Licensed Hunters account for a very small % of harvested / killed Moose. I'm not interested in finding the source but it's less then 15%.

The moose population decrease, if it does in fact exist, is firstly impacted by predators followed by environmental conditions. We are seeing a decrease in moose because of the cancelled spring bear hunt as well as the need to pay for coyote / wolf tags north of the French which used to be free. Predator numbers have increased, moose numbers have declined.

The third reason might be speculation but has to do with natives and poaching which involves killing moose 365 days a year and not recording the harvest.

Environmental conditions include the changing landscape with regards to forestry combined with a couple of cold winters as well as disease.

Us as hunters come in around 4th and as mentioned, account for a very small % of the impact on moose.

I'm not fond of the MNR and the changes that have taken place, however, if you want to make a difference, buy a bear and wolf tag when you go up north and split your time up between hunting moose and hunting predators....

15% of the moose kills is still 15% of the moose kills.

If we have a declining population then why are we killing off any of the breeding stock and any of the next years stock?

Even if it is 10% why should we keep doing it if the population is dropping like everyone says it is.

If there are only 20 animals and 10 die, should that hunter be able to kill 1 of them, or 10% of that population that was killed of?

I think we have a stupid system here, we have numbers dropping all over the place and people are shooting moms and babies with no sex determination on the babies, how does that help the population come back.

If the draw is not something that works for everyone then just close moose hunting for 5 years and observe the population, better than not having any moose to recover in 10 years.

As for the natives, they are only 2% of the population of Ontario, I get that moose are shot by these hunters but why does everyone blame the natives for everything.
August 6th, 2015, 11:31 PM
Bushmoose

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Originally Posted by Fox

As for the natives, they are only 2% of the population of Ontario, I get that moose are shot by these hunters but why does everyone blame the natives for everything.

I didnt see anyone blame the mess on the natives? But I will say that their contribution to the kill is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
August 7th, 2015, 12:54 AM
Kilo Charlie

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

I didnt see anyone blame the mess on the natives? But I will say that their contribution to the kill is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Re-read post #20 by JeffBondar. Look for the word "natives".
August 7th, 2015, 01:13 AM
Bushmoose

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Originally Posted by Kilo Charlie

Re-read post #20 by JeffBondar. Look for the word "natives".

Do you mean this statement? "The third reason might be speculation but has to do with natives and poaching which involves killing moose 365 days a year and not recording the harvest."
I don't see where Jeff is "but why does everyone blame the natives for everything." as Fox say's, blaming the natives for everything?
As I said, they are part of the problem, not the solution.

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