stolen guns

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Originally Posted by Brampton Mike

Okay where does this come from....nowhere in any report does it say that these firearms were loaded and left laying around...all reports I have read indicate that these firearms were 'legally' locked up..........

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We're talking America,here,BM because that's where JoePa lives. Stats are readily found on both The Brady Center and The FBI websites.
If a large size safe is what works for you,I have no issue except it seems a little like overkill to me,buty,hey,whatever floats your boat. Along with my cabinet,we have a monitored alarm system wired directly to both the alarm company and the Police. The crooks might get in,but,they'll come out looking down the business end of a Sig.

On a side note, I had three over the years. #1 I got a great deal on (refurbished massive safe, originally used by a company who cashed out employees). Needed a crane to lower it into the basement, key too long to carry it with me and better not get you fingers in when you got the door moving... #2 small safe (used to move frequently); you better bolt it to the wall (not for security), but your personal safety when you open the door #3 good heavy size with key lock - wait for it when the battery dies...

To all of those in favour of safes, if you think that's the best for you fine with me.

However, be careful what you wish for: If we get an anti-gun government, they need to act in some stupid way or another. Coming up with additional requirements for storage would be one of them. A requirement for a safe is the last thing anyone needs: First, a safe is only a safe if it is certified in Canada; just like helmets, child seats, live vests etc. And new rules mean new certification; i.e. whatever you have will be worthless, but some new government jobs will be created.
Second, if rules would change to read you need to store firearms in a safe it would not be legal to keep them in the car when you go and pay for gas or at your hunt camp etc.
Third, if you have a shiny safe a thief might think you have a tremendous amount of valuables at home. If they don't know how to open a safe, and cannot find the keys (or its combination lock) it's logical that they would consider taking the owner hostage to get in.
No matter how you slice it, it's not worth it!

The current requirement for storage are fully adequate and anyone should think twice to advocate for having a safe.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

We're talking America,here,BM because that's where JoePa lives. Stats are readily found on both The Brady Center and The FBI websites.
If a large size safe is what works for you,I have no issue except it seems a little like overkill to me,buty,hey,whatever floats your boat. Along with my cabinet,we have a monitored alarm system wired directly to both the alarm company and the Police. The crooks might get in,but,they'll come out looking down the business end of a Sig.

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Can I ask how you have an alarm system monitored directly by the police?

To each their own as long as your within the law.

Everyone will have their own preference and bias. So to say one is overkill and not worth it, or the other can be pealed open in no time. Who is to say one or the other is "right".

I went safe for a few reasons. One obviously is break in and theft. Fact of the matter is the vast majority of BnEs are petty criminals, looking for quick and easy things. A "professional" or some other, nothing short of bars in your windows and reinforced doors will stop them from getting in.

Alarm systems are ok, but they are very over rated. Having had my house broken into a few times. With and without an alarm system,the only measure able difference was how much time they spent in my house.

Without they took their time and cleaned us out. With the system, they still got a fair bit, but didn't spend anywhere near as much time, nor do the same kind of damage. The police responding?

Lol.

I also keep more than just my LGs in it. Some valuables, passport, some camera equipment.

Foolproof?
Hardly, but if that's what your looking for, make your home a prison.

Better than a "stack on"?
When minutes count (and that's the case with most BnEs) yes, I'd say so.

But but that's me, and when dealing with petty criminals/theft. I'd rather not have the hassle of the insurance claims/process. If it's more than a petty criminal looking for easy things, get in, get out quickly...well there isn't much you can do period.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

. Is it really that bad down there that a citizen must expect a home invasion attack every waking minute to the point you feel it necessary to have loaded guns in every room of the house at the ready at all times? Jeezus Murphy,what a way to live.

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No kidding!!! Nothing a few more guns won't fix!!

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

Theres a guy on CGN whos house was broken into and the stack-on stopped a thief. He posted pics and all of the attempted robbery.

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uhh link please; i'm wondering about that myself. was this recent?

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Originally Posted by poltrojan

uhh link please; i'm wondering about that myself. was this recent?

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sorry, but learnt something about safes/vaults from they guys I bought my first one from (way more vault than anyone would buy). just watching two elderly slim chain-smoking gentlemen with old-school jail tattoos (sorry might been sailors or incapable DIY artists - no a clue about tattoos - who I'm kidding LOL) moving over a metric ton of steel seemingly effortless with a pry bar and a handful steel bars. it took them a few minutes moving that thing and to top it off (after a beer): "Don't worry too much if you loose the key, just give us a call and we find a solution."
Well, at least they found a legal way doing a great job...

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Originally Posted by JoePa

No 500 lb safe for me - got guns laying all over the house - some loaded - no one would dare come to my house to steal anything - its called suicide - if a crook wants a gun bad enough there are a lot safer ways of getting one - boy it sounds like they got you gun owners really nailed to the wall - remember the old saying - if for security you give up liberty, you end up with neither -

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It does not take a lot to drop a full magazine into any gun.

Why you leave them lying around loaded makes no sense to me, sure you may not have little kids there but what about your friends kids or your grandkids.

The gun cabinets are there to keep kids out and other people who should not be able to get their hands on the guns. There are lots of combo safes or even quick open safes for guns that would get rid of the concern of intruders. I believe in the better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 but I don't want to be judged because some kid shot another kid with my loaded gun. In Canada you can have a full magazine right beside your non-restricted firearm if they are both locked in a case that cannot be easily broken into. There are carbines that have short barrels and take pistol magazines, that means a carbine similar to an M1 carbine with a 10 shot magazine in 9mm Luger, 40 S&W or 45 ACP, I think that will do just fine if needed although just the sound of a pump shotgun being loaded would scare about most intruders.

Just think about a loaded gun hanging on a wall in a room that is on fire and surrounded by firemen......most seem to be just below head height...