Very interesting . Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
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Very interesting . Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter John
Please take a look at what the sex ed curriculum actually is, it is not about teaching a grade 3 student about how to have anal sex or become gay, there are a lot of very good things in there about teaching kids (younger than we should have to but very necessary) that they are the only ones who decide what is appropriate for them. There is a serious issue with abuse of minors and it is disgusting that a lot of these abuses are done by people in a place of authority (priests, teachers, parents, etc.) and kids for so long have been taught to trust and obey those in authority. If the parent tells them to do something they are bad if they do not, that sort of thing. We need to emphasize that no matter what age the child is, that this is their body and that they need to be able to say no and know that they are not in the wrong for saying no.
Later on down the road they do talk about masturbation, protection, STIs, anal sex, gay, lesbian and transgender people and that it is ok to be who you are and to let people be who they are, I have no idea why this would be a problem for anyone, it is not a cold, it is not something you catch.
Here is a link to the curriculum summary for grades 1-8 in Ontario.
http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curricu...health1to8.pdf
Have a read
Man,you've got that right! Polls can be manipulated to read however the "pollster" wants it to read,depending on the who's paying the bill. It's no secret that they're conducted in certain demographics with very carefully controlled and contrived questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugger
That's not what has people so upset,Fox. We pay educators to teach our children HOW to think. They continually over-step parental authority and individual family values by actively teaching our children WHAT to think and it makes people crazy after they hear the kids when they get home. It's almost to the point where children need to be "deprogrammed" after they've been brainwashed by the BS teachers espouse. The "nanny staters" need to be put on a very short leash and jerked senseless to pull them back into line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Few "thoughts"
1) I think the curriculum is long over due for an over haul, don't have any qualms really with it.
2) Do suspect, a few key topics could be put off by a few years. Aka say include it, but instead of say 8yr olds, 10/11 year olds.
3) Find it highly hypocritical of Ms Wynne to be preaching tolerance, acceptance on one hand, yet setting the table to create the opposite. Then again theres very little I think she is remotely capable. See also the way she labels any opposition as homophobic.
4) So here were are and as predicted a lot of kids are being pulled from classes, ostracized as predicted
5) LMAO literally at those on the left and liberal minded people in general who scream their bloody heads at Harper over omnibus bills, and yet are behind this crone, who is ramming this down parents throats. Much as she is ramming through Hydro 1 sale (despite so many against and even many economist etc). I personally have "no issue's" with it. Do have mega issues with the way its been brought in. Who the puck does she think she (and teachers) is...these are "MY" children.
God I loathe this witch.
And with respect to "co-parenting"
yep.
Its way past time teachers get taken down a few rungs. See also the strikes, and their roles in various things.
Then pull your kids out of school and home school them, that is a fine option and it might even drop my taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
How is telling a kid that there are people who are different than them and it is ok "teaching BS". How do your kids need to be "deprogrammed" find one thing in there that says that they are teaching Ontario's kids things that are detrimental to their future. The Religious belief system on sex is archaic, teenagers have sex, the majority of the parents had sex before they were married but these teenagers need to have a better and more up to date understanding of how to be safe, how to get themselves out of a bad situation and how to treat others who have a different orientation than them.
Have a read, the curriculum does not talk about the body until grade 5 (approx age 10) and this is about how puberty changes their bodies. This should be taught earlier as children are developing earlier (not hormones in the milk but rather due to a higher fat content, look it up, really weird how we work). Grade 6 looks as different cultures, orientations, expression and a number of other things that should help to reduce bullying (look at how many adolescents commit suicide due to all this BS). Grade 7 it focuses on teaching kids to abstain, they should be able to tell the person they are dating no, and understand that no means no. They also teach STIs in grade 7 and how to prevent these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Honestly, this is not all that much different than it was when I was in grade 8-9. The biggest differences between then and now is the access people have at every second of the day. Sexting is a huge problem, first off guys and girls are being exploited because they are naive enough to be part of this and some are being charged with child for having a picture on their phone even if they were not looking for it.
The way information moves around now is nothing like it was 15 years ago, things are a lot more complicated.
If you really want your kid to grow up in a bubble then have at it but this curriculum does not tell 5 year olds to go out and be gay and to have sex without consequences, it just does not.
Actually I have Fox, more than once, that's a little pre-sumptuous to assume I haven't. One might hope people should know me well by now (aka Im paid to be well informed....read many things). Without desiring bringing up "old debates" that ultimately were closed, I opted instead for vague reference as opposed to specific content :)
I dare say both my girls one of whom is heavily inked could probably teach most teachers, and I bet many reading this a thing or two in the bedroom for a few reasons. One of which is because I am extremely open minded and have no qualms discussing any topic and two because I am no stranger to things..aka no stranger to "alternative" lifestyles....and like variety in my "sex" life and am no stranger to bondage and more.Quote:
If you really want your kid to grow up in a bubble then have at it
and have been talking with my girls quite openly since they were about 10. In fact, without getting specific, my "sex" life was used against me in an effort to gain custody. Something their counsellor championed and I was demonized, alienated. Aka young kids shouldn't talked to, it can only harm their minds, better to sweep sex under the rug, keep it behind closed doors.
Funny that.
Might want to rethink/rephrase that
:)
Sorry JBen, that was not for you, the comment about having to "deprogram" your kids got to me.
I am not saying that the teachers know all and from what you are writing here you probably talk more to your kids than most, but I know of a lot of people who would have never had "the talk" with their kids, ever, let alone talk to them about changes and sex throughout their lives as they develop and ask questions. They learned from movies, you know the kind, or from what other guys said on the school ground.
To think that your personal private life was used as a way to get custody is total BS, went through a custody battle but I was the kid, what the lawyers and counselors can do to take a chunk out of the other parent is disgraceful.
No worries. I do it myself at times unwittingly.
I am very much "in favor". Do think a couple topics could maybe should be pushed back a couple years.
My biggest issue though is the way it's been brought in, rammed down parents throats. At the end of the day whether I agree with those opposed or not, parents should have a hell of a lot more say, it's their children. Not Ms Wynnes nor educators.