Reconsider Wild Boar Hunting

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Originally Posted by seabast

Or it could be just like Goby on Simcoe, not a bad deal afterall and a great food source for other species. No one is complaining to catch white fish in 12 fow.... Now, I do understand the impact of wild boar on properties, farm field, soccer/baseball ground, lawn and you name it but that just like bear damaging corn field.....

The issue with Texas, they still haven't undertstood how to hunt them. Killing them one at the time seating in a blind or a tree stand over a bait pill or using a pit bull and wait for it to catch one doesn't do it. This thing need to be kill by the dozen with hounds (just like coyote hunting) and that's why they finally found help from accross the ocean to teach them how to.

And I too believe they will be there someday.

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Well you dont need dozens of hounds just a couple of the right dogs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrYNAIm1AY

I dont see them getting started here,we have had hundreds of domestic pigs turned loose over the years and they have no managed to breed to become a big problem.Big difference between Texas and Ontario in the winter,along with wolves,coy dogs,bears....

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well you dont need dozens of hounds just a couple of the right dogs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrYNAIm1AY

I dont see them getting started here,we have had hundreds of domestic pigs turned loose over the years and they have no managed to breed to become a big problem.Big difference between Texas and Ontario in the winter,along with wolves,coy dogs,bears....

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Aren't Wild Boars a completely different species than domestic swine? My NY extended family members who have hunted the Wild Boars of Pennsylvania tell me they have an unparalled viciousness that has to be seen rather than imagined. They're bigger,faster and harder to kill than domestic hogs. Picture a lot the size of yours completely destroyed in a few minutes from a herd of less than twenty. I hope we never see them up here,but,I've had smoked bacon and ham from these things and let me tell you,they're freakin' delicious.

Ask Saskatchewan and Alberta

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well you dont need dozens of hounds just a couple of the right dogs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrYNAIm1AY

I dont see them getting started here,we have had hundreds of domestic pigs turned loose over the years and they have no managed to breed to become a big problem.Big difference between Texas and Ontario in the winter,along with wolves,coy dogs,bears....

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well you dont need dozens of hounds just a couple of the right dogs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrYNAIm1AY

I dont see them getting started here,we have had hundreds of domestic pigs turned loose over the years and they have no managed to breed to become a big problem.Big difference between Texas and Ontario in the winter,along with wolves,coy dogs,bears....

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You didn't understand, I meant to kill them by the dozen not one at the time like your video. This is not an effective way to hunt them. You need hounds, doggers and seaters, and keep your pit bull at home.they are smart animals.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Aren't Wild Boars a completely different species than domestic swine? My NY extended family members who have hunted the Wild Boars of Pennsylvania tell me they have an unparalled viciousness that has to be seen rather than imagined. They're bigger,faster and harder to kill than domestic hogs. Picture a lot the size of yours completely destroyed in a few minutes from a herd of less than twenty. I hope we never see them up here,but,I've had smoked bacon and ham from these things and let me tell you,they're freakin' delicious.

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There may be an odd Russian Boar that was released with these but the majority of wild pigs in the US come from domestic stock that were brought over from the old world. The Spanish released pigs, the British colonialists released pigs and pigs got away from farms, they are the exact same pig as a domestic but they have been on their own for so many generations they have reverted back for survival.

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Originally Posted by Fox

they are the exact same pig as a domestic but they have been on their own for so many generations they have reverted back for survival.

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Dat dar is true;

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So, how do domestic pigs and wild boars differ genetically and physically? Well, all swine share a common ancestor — the Eurasian wild boar or Sus scrofa. Wild boars are of the species Sus scrofa, whereas domestic pigs are of the subspecies Sus scrofa domesticus. (A few taxonomists put the domestic pig in a separate species from its wild counterparts, which is known as Sus domesticus.) Humans began domesticating pigs as early as 8000 B.C., and now there are many subspecies of Sus scrofa throughout the world. In regards to appearance, wild boars generally have thicker, bristlier coats than domestics and have a noticeable ridge of hair running along their backs. They also have longer, straighter tails, and longer legs and heads.
That being said, feral domestic pigs start to take on the physical characteristics of wild boars after just one or two generations of being in the wild. Once they take on this wild appearance, it is hard to distinguish them from a pure Sus scrofa. Also, wild boars and feral pigs breed readily and create offspring that are nearly identical to wild boars, making them even more difficult to tell apart. In truth, considering their high level of hybridization and similar appearance, there’s not much difference between feral pigs and wild boars. Even scientists have a hard time identifying these animals without analyzing them at the molecular level.
All of this may sound confusing, but it’s really quite simple. Though there are some minor differences, no matter what people decide to call them, the bottom line is that every one of these animals (hogs, swine, boar, etc.) is just a pig. Those on the farm are domestic pigs and those in the wild are wild pigs. They’re all in the species Sus scrofa, and they all make delicious pork chops.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Dat dar is true;

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Just just another pretty face.

Have you seen the documentary on feral dogs? They talk about feral dogs in places like Detroit, visually you can see even the genetics of the tiny toy dogs going back to what looks eerily similar to a wolf within only a few years.

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Originally Posted by Fox

There may be an odd Russian Boar that was released with these but the majority of wild pigs in the US come from domestic stock that were brought over from the old world. The Spanish released pigs, the British colonialists released pigs and pigs got away from farms, they are the exact same pig as a domestic but they have been on their own for so many generations they have reverted back for survival.

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By the sound of it there was more then one.....
http://wildpiginfo.msstate.edu/history-wild-pigs.html

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Originally Posted by seabast

Or it could be just like Goby on Simcoe, not a bad deal afterall and a great food source for other species. No one is complaining to catch white fish in 12 fow.... Now, I do understand the impact of wild boar on properties, farm field, soccer/baseball ground, lawn and you name it but that just like bear damaging corn field.....

The issue with Texas, they still haven't undertstood how to hunt them. Killing them one at the time seating in a blind or a tree stand over a bait pill or using a pit bull and wait for it to catch one doesn't do it. This thing need to be kill by the dozen with hounds (just like coyote hunting) and that's why they finally found help from accross the ocean to teach them how to.

And I too believe they will be there someday.

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Originally Posted by seabast

You didn't understand, I meant to kill them by the dozen not one at the time like your video. This is not an effective way to hunt them. You need hounds, doggers and seaters, and keep your pit bull at home.they are smart animals.

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seabast,

I think Texas' problems isn't the fact they don't understand how to hunt them. This article (it is older mind you) really gives a closer look at the problem: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc...no-ist=&page=1

Texas right now has open season on hogs and zero limit. Texans can also trap them and ship them to a state slaughterhouse for selling as an exotic meat. They can be shot en mass from a helicopter. I don't think the problem is how to hunt them. This animal is versatile in it's menu and habitat. It affects it's environment on a macro scale. It breeds like a rabbit. When fully grown it doesn't have any natural predators in Texas as it has amble means to defend itself (and sows will defend their young) if necessary. They are mainly nocturnal and can be as fast as a rabbit (boar and rabbit are approximately 30 mph) in bursts. Add into the equation that the states which neighbor Texas may not have as liberal rules when it comes to hog hunting and those hog will "reinforce" the Texas population. Moreso, some landowners are trying to make a dollar off hog hunting (kind of like some reports of landowners crying the elk are destroying their property in Bancroft but wanting to charge hunters to come onto their land to hunt) which means hunters will probably only hunt a few hogs.

I think what needs to happen is Texas and its neighbours need to come up with a plan much like Australia has for it's kangaroo problem. In Australia, there are government licensed hunters who get paid to shoot kangaroos (many do it as a side job) coupled with the fact that Australians can hunt kangaroos recreationally as well is a solid start to manage a population which is way out of control. Allow the professional hunters to bring their carcasses into the state approved slaughterhouses for export (as the professionals in Australia are allowed to do). Allow spotlighting and night shooting by the professionals (and only the professionals) for these animals. Have the professional hunters mainly target the sows and piglets (boars could be on a quota system) to reduce the breeding and feeding population as fast as possible as they are the ones who group up the most.

Dyth

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Originally Posted by seabast

By the sound of it there was more then one.....
http://wildpiginfo.msstate.edu/history-wild-pigs.html

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Check out the part about the Americas, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_pig , there has got to be a mix in here of domestic released and something more wild released or escaped but nothing here is natural, that is for sure.

Here is another link on the Mulefoot pig, I have heard about people seeing both mulefoot tracks and standard cloven hoof tracks from groups of wild pigs, just goes to show the mix of genetics in there.

http://www.livestockconservancy.org/...ernal/mulefoot