You must eat a ton, at our house 4 to 5 dove breasts is enough per person, along with some potatoes and veggies.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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You must eat a ton, at our house 4 to 5 dove breasts is enough per person, along with some potatoes and veggies.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Now that is something that I would definitely hunt, as they are very tasty , some call them "rib eye of the sky "., and you can't mistake them for any other bird.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Swan on the other hand , the adult birds [old ] are tough and not tasty, and it is a shame [ to me] to kill a bird like that and turn it into sausage meat.
How do you know what swans taste like? I'd put mine on the wall anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I'd bet people would be shooting great blue herons instead of cranes......just sayin
The whole ID thing is a waste of breath. If that's the only reason anyone can come up with to restrict a season on swans, then there should be a season.
S.
I agree the ID should not be a deciding factor, the sustainability of the species in the face of hunting should be. Although the resistance to delisting the Mutes I think has to do with ID, the worry that hunters will take native swans if they are allowed to shoot mutes ... I am all for a Tundra season in Ontario, but for my purposes I am more interested in being able to hunt the invasive mutes and do some environmental good at the same time. The last two years in my area have seen a substantial increase in Tundra swans in the fall, but the mutes still outnumber them 3 to 1 in the areas I have seen the most Tundras, and the mutes are here all year round.
From what I hear from Americans that have hunted Tundra, the young taste better than the adults, and I expect the hunt would include young if we can get it implemented.
As far as doves go ... 5 doves in a stir fry I find plenty for the two of us for a meal.
What do I know about how they taste " by actually eating them at a friends house who hunted them legally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinker
Great Blue herons and Sandhill Cranes, no mistaking the two, both absolutely different.
Sinker , Do you know or can tell the difference between Tundra and Trumpeter Swans ?, or even Mute Swans.
Even if i couldnt ID the swans, i would be sure as sure before i pulled the trigger on one.....but, yes, i can easily ID swans from a distance and on the wing, no problem. Its not hard.
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Hello Guys,
In response to some comments:
1) A limited Tundra Swan season would include mature and young birds. The young Tundra Swans (light grey in colour) would be with their parents and are better eating. The young adult Tundra Swans (yearlings) are white and are good eating (as per conversations with those who have hunted them). The older adult Tundra Swans would probably be with their cygnets and could be tough depending upon their age ... just like geese.
2) The sustainability of a limited Tundra Swan season is not in question ... please check out the CWS Tundra Swan Season Assessment. I had someone post it on this waterfowl forum back in the summer of 2013 when it was completed.
3) Some form of swan identification may be a requirement but it could be an online course (check out the State of Nevada swan identification course) or just a Swan Identification Brochure provided with your permit (check out The Trumpeter Swan Society web page and click on Swan Identification).
4) I previously have offered to contribute $10,000.00 to the OFAH to produce a Swan Identification Guide that could be part of a mandatory or optional course in the future to apply for a permit. The guide could be in an online, video or printed format. The OFAH did not responded to my offer. I recently have offered to financially support a survey of OFAH members and Delta Waterfowl members to determine the level of interest for a limited Tundra Swan season ... waiting for a response from both of these organizations.
5) The Mute Swan somehow received a special unwarranted status years ago but it is an invasive species that must be dealt with accordingly.
6) A limited Sandhill Crane season in Ontario could be a possibility after this year because the CWS is in the final stage of their amendments to the Migratory Birds Regulations (MBR) that will include a mechanism to hold a limited (tag only) season for a particular species. This mechanism was not available in September of 2014 when I questioned Mr. J. Hughes (CWS) further about a limited Tundra Swan season. The CWS subsequently decided to review and amend the MBR accordingly. This was required before a limited season could even be considered for either Tundra Swans or Sandhill Cranes.
7) I have offered the CWS an initial grant of $20,000.00 with a subsequent annual grant of $4,000.00 for twenty (20) years to financially support the implementation and monitoring of a limited Tundra Swan season. Mr. J. Hughes (CWS) has recently advised me that the CWS can not accept the above grants from The Dr. Jerome Katchin Waterfowl Foundation. However he also advised me that the CWS already receives funds to implement and monitor migratory bird harvests.
8) There will never be a limited Tundra Swan season in Canada if we do not ask or better yet ... demand one. I have also been in contact with the Manitoba Wildlife Federation and the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation recently.
I hope that the above has been of some interest to you.
Jerome Katchin, D.V.M.
Buddy, you mention that the OFAH has not responded to you, that Delta Waterfowl has not responded to you. You go onto mention that you have been in contact with Manitoba Wildlife Federation and the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation, has that contact been positive for your proposal?
As for the Canadian Wildlife Services (a Federal Government Department) not accepting funding from your foundation, I would expect that from them. How could a government department accept funding from an Foundation to do a study, when that Foundation has already clearly indicated their wishes, if they agreed with you how would we know their opinion was unbiased, based in research and not due to the funding?
Hello Doug,
I tried to correct (clarify) the contents of my post but I lost my connection. Please re-read my point 4 for further clarification.
I did have a meaningful telephone conference call last summer with the OFAH staff and I received a letter from the President of Delta Waterfowl last fall. My latest offer to both organizations was rather recent so some additional time may be warranted.
The Manitoba Wildlife Federation was receptive and interested in the idea so I provided some additional information for their due consideration. I have not heard back from the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation yet.
I will keep you guys posted on any developments.
Jerome Katchin, D.V.M.
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Originally Posted by Doug
My thoughts on this . " them not responding to you " , it seems to me they are telling you in a round about way that they are not interested in holding a swan hunt in this province.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug
I also agree with what was said about The Canadian Wildlife Service not accepting your donation.