B.C. Bans Trophy Hunting Grizzly Bears

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

But 250 being removed is around the number of black bears being taking in the spring hunt before it was cancelled.

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Just to clarify the numbers...there is a big difference between the annual harvest rates of 1.6% (B.C Grizzy) and 5-6 % (Ontario Black bear)

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In the eight years leading up to the spring bear hunt cancellation, it was estimated that an average of 6,783 bears were harvested annually by resident and non-resident hunters. Roughly 60 percent of this annual harvest was taken during the spring hunting season, primarily by non-resident hunters (Backgrounder, 2009). Going back through the last fourteen seasons from 1999 to 2012, the estimated combined legal harvest for trappers and hunters is 75,754 black bears. This gives an expected annual average of 5,411 and therefore places Ontario in an acceptable harvest range of 5-6 percent of the total population. From 1999 to 2013, 62 percent of the estimated black bear harvest were taken by non-resident hunters.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Just to clarify the numbers...there is a big difference between the annual harvest rates of 1.6% (B.C Grizzy) and 5-6 % (Ontario Black bear)

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Sorry spell check got me..

The first sentence should say
" Be it 250 being removed isn't around the number......"
Point I was making was that the new regulations would pretty much end grizzly hunting in BC. With the hunting ended they would see the same effect as we did with black bears, but it will probably just take longer.
If bear numbers go up because no one is hunting, 1) increasing tags will not help. 2) increasing tags would have Anti's rioting in the streets.

I hear you, but the bear numbers aren't the foreseen problem in any of these decisions...it's how it economically affects the province. The loss to the Grizzy hunt will cost the province $millions in tourist dollars and the loss of many jobs and way of life for countless outfitters.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I hear you, but the bear numbers aren't the foreseen problem in any of these decisions...it's how it economically affects the province. The loss to the Grizzy hunt will cost the province $millions in tourist dollars and the loss of many jobs and way of life for countless outfitters.

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But it will make a few people in Victoria and Vancouver happy, until that bear comes into their tent at night because they kept food in there and has to be shot and wasted.

A study last year contradicted conventional wisdom of that premise....

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The study — published in the Nature group journal Scientific Reports — found that killing grizzlies led to a slight increase in human-bear conflicts in subsequent years.

The increase in conflicts, though not statistically significant, might be explained by the continued presence of attractants or the social impact of the kills on other bears. Hunting had no impact on the frequency of conflicts.

“What we found challenges a common assumption in wildlife management, that killing bears is necessary to reduce conflict,” said lead author Kyle Artelle, a PhD candidate at Simon Fraser University and scholar at the Hakai Institute.

Data suggest that reduced food supply — especially when bears are feeding in advance of hibernation — is the driving factor behind conflicts between humans and grizzly bears, Artelle said.

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worth a read...http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...-c-study-finds

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Originally Posted by MikePal

A study last year contradicted conventional wisdom of that premise....

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I just meant that people who have no idea what bear country is are the ones pushing for the change.

I hate that Trophy hunting would even be considered though, do they actually allow you to just waste the bear meat in BC? If you kill it you should be doing so for a reason, just for the hide is not an idea I agree with, if you eat it and take the hide then fine.

Hunting grizzlies or any other animal is regulated and managed as a renewable resource. I would look at any research into a hot button animal like Grizzlies with suspicion. First who is funding the study and secondly does it cover all the grounds where grizzlies are hunted? My guess is they studied the easily accessible salmon eaters not inland grizzlies hunted while on moose or sheep hunts. Follow the money and you'll find the agenda. With an NDP/Green government you can expect common sense and science to be run over by anti everything ideology.

I personally don't believe in trophy hunting. if you shoot it, you eat it. Now is it still trophy hunting if a guy waits for that big buck or bear then shoots it and eats it. Hangs the antlers or mount on the wall or floor? I saw NO. But those that shoot something for the horns, antlers or whatever and leave the reset behind need to be jailed IMO.

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Originally Posted by Fox

, do they actually allow you to just waste the bear meat in BC? If you kill it you should be doing so for a reason, just for the hide is not an idea I agree with, if you eat it and take the hide then fine.

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We touched on this in an older thread ...because of the higher probability of trichinosis, I don't think B.C. and Alberta require you eat the meat from bear.

https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...gality-Alberta

Some trophy hunters, going to Africa, are happy with just a picture so it might not be the best way to stop it for good.

Personally, I hunt to eat or get rid of varmints so it won't affect me but it isn't good to lose one more battle.