Can you hunt on land owned by OPG, or land owned by provence of Ontario Infrastucture?

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Good luck trying to convince an leo that your allowed to trespass and hunt on private land because the land owner has not told you to leave yet. Nobody has the right to hunt on private land unless consent permission is granted regardless to whether or not fencing or signage is present. Its your responsibility to make sure your not trespassing and hunting private land.

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Law enforcement already should have knowledge of the TPA and OLA when confronting people when there's been no notification given. So,they're told to leave,they do so and that's the end of it in most circumstances. I used to hate responding to "hunters trespassing" complaints because that's all we could do,initially. If the trespassers returned after we left, the set fine was $50. Now,I think it's around $150,still way to low to be a deterrent. Your last sentence sure says it all.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Law enforcement already should have knowledge of the TPA and OLA when confronting people when there's been no notification given. So,they're told to leave,they do so and that's the end of it in most circumstances. I used to hate responding to "hunters trespassing" complaints because that's all we could do,initially. If the trespassers returned after we left, the set fine was $50. Now,I think it's around $150,still way to low to be a deterrent. Your last sentence sure says it all.

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Take it a step further and shoot an animal on private land, get caught by the MNR and your having bigger problems fast. 50 bucks won't cut it..lol

I always let adjacent properties know that I am hunting on certain lands and at minimum they give me permission to retrieve. I also let landowners adjacent to even crown know I am hunting just so cops don't show up for unknown reason. I have never had an issue. Since living in Ottawa out near Russell I have only had 2 landowners say I could not hunt. One the farmers son and his friends were hunting the land and the second purchased the land next to an area I had permission on, but he still allowed me to retrieve.

It all come down to boots on the ground and in areas like Ottawa for crown boots on the ground letting adjacent landowners like farmers know your hunting pays dividends. When you have access to private land stopping by to at minimum see how things are going pays off giving a helping hand occasionally is also good.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Take it a step further and shoot an animal on private land, get caught by the MNR and your having bigger problems fast. 50 bucks won't cut it..lol

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Good luck trying to convince an leo that your allowed to trespass and hunt on private land because the land owner has not told you to leave yet.

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Read the trespass to property act.

The offender has to be notified that they are in fact trespassed from the property before any LEO can action anything.

I'm not saying it is entirely scrupulous to simply walk onto private property, which is unsigned, but the rule of law has already been stated to you.

Your statement of "good luck trying to convince an LEO" is a false statement.

Individual walks onto a parcel of land that has no maintained fences, and has no signage.

Property owner attends and tells individual they are not allowed on the property, LEO can then action any further Trespass issues. Period full stop.

Individual walks on to parcel of land that has no maintained fences, nor signage. LEO drives by, as there has been no complaint filed.

Let me ask you this. 1000s of individual walk onto parcels of private land every hunting season, and no one ever is asked by CO or LEO to show their permission letter when stopped. Why do you suppose that is?

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Take it a step further and shoot an animal on private land, get caught by the MNR and your having bigger problems fast. 50 bucks won't cut it..lol

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Yes? Really?

Please do educate us as to what charge would be forthcoming.......

As long as said animal was harvested under a valid license, there is none, unless the individual has already been given notice under the TPA, or has entered a property which has been posted under the TPA.

There have been few charges of Trespass to hunt laid in this province, but every one of them that has been laid, have met those criteria first.

Look. These are open forums, and I get it. Walking onto a parcel that is known to be private property is a really crummy thing. No one is arguing that. And no one here is necessarily advocating for doing it either.

In the case of the OP, he's indicated a bush parcel, which apparently is either IO, or OPG, but not fenced, nor posted. So in the strictest terms of the law, what was asked has been answered.

Many people are confused about the TTPA and the cut and dry version is that Bluebulldog is accurate in his interpretation of that Act.
Someone did say that "in practice" it is a good idea to first ask permission which is just courteous.
Unless it is one of the exemptions under the Act it is simply a situation where if you are asked by the Landowner/Agent to leave, you must.
Until the Act is changed it is not required (permission first)

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

As long as said animal was harvested under a valid license, there is none, unless the individual has already been given notice under the TPA, or has entered a property which has been posted under the TPA.

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I was involved last year in a situation almost exactly like this. Let me explain.
I have sole permission to hunt a sizable acreage (300 +) Naturally, I covet it and keep a good watch on it as the owner is from out of the area. To make a long story short, I came across a guy who had just shot a turkey out of season, 2 turkeys in fact, on this property. I knew right where this guy was staying (local campground) so I reported it. 2 CO's arrived and did the site investigation, then they went to see the fella at the campground.
Later, one of the CO's came to my cabin and filled me in on the details. The fella turned out to be a First Nation citizen. The turkey's were apparently seized but no charges were laid due to the fact the fella told the CO he thought it was crown land? Unfortunately, the land wasn't posted and as the CO said, it would never hold up in court due to the provisions in the TPA. The land in question is all woods, no fence and no obvious agriculture.
So, I firmly believe, first nations or not, anyone hunting this land would get a free pass simply because it wasnt posted. And for the record, its now posted with the red circles, and lots of them!

Obviously the act needs to be revised /modernize , too many people don’t care and have no respect for other people’s assets.

I can show you crown land and you would swear up and down it is private and I could show you private land and you would swear it is crown. If an owner gives no indication that the land is private than it makes it very difficult.

I even know a piece of land that the Conservation Authority doesn't even know where there boundary is.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Obviously the act needs to be revised /modernize , too many people don’t care and have no respect for other people’s assets.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I can show you crown land and you would swear up and down it is private and I could show you private land and you would swear it is crown. If an owner gives no indication that the land is private than it makes it very difficult.

I even know a piece of land that the Conservation Authority doesn't even know where there boundary is.

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We are in 2019, there are easy ways to find out.
I've laid out 1000's of km of boundary lines, I worked all my life with compass, maps, GPS, GIS, - Arc Map etc. I know what is private land and what is crown.
I also own quite a bit of properties across Ontario and I'm fully aware what trespassers do on my properties.
It doesn't change my point of view that the act needs to be revised / modernize.