Are wooden gun cabinets still legal?

Mike Hargreaves, ring a bell??

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

No you would not !!

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

It's legal until they get stolen, doesn't matter how secure it was. You could have a bank vault in your house and if someone drilled the locks over the weekend and stole the guns you would be charged with unsafe storage.

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Unfortunately that is often the case. It seems almost automatic for an improper storage charge to be laid against the gun owner when there is a theft, regardless of the circumstances or how ridiculous it seems.

Any of the cheap gun storage case can be broken into under 30 seconds, they even teach you how on youtube.

Just under 2 minutes for a pretty rugged looking safe.

https://youtu.be/B8ViUdd-2LM

Those tin 22 gauge looker safes take about 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

It's legal until they get stolen, doesn't matter how secure it was. You could have a bank vault in your house and if someone drilled the locks over the weekend and stole the guns you would be charged with unsafe storage.

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This is not true. Man you need to,adjust your tinfoil hat.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

A "barred" window applies to exterior building construction,not a storage case. What section states specifically that a locked closet is considered unsuitable? Look hard because you won't find any. Remember,the OP is dealing with non-restricteds. Although not defined,this was addressed by the Ontario Superior Court in R vs Barnes where the accused was acquitted on a charge of unsafe storage of non-restricted,restricted and prohibited firearms after a raid on a Toronto apartment owned by Henry Barnes (aka Johnny Sombrero) where all his firearms were stored in old metal school lockers in a locked bedroom. This case set a precedent because the Crown was very reluctant and declined to appeal,so,it stands to this day. Like already mentioned,trigger locks are our best friends. If there's any doubt in the minds of Police,this brings any question to a screaming halt,even if they're simply leaning against a wall or standing in a corner.

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The heart of the issue in the Johnny Sombrero case was whether a padlocked school locker constituted secure storage. Since the lockers in question were already in a locked bedroom, it is evident that this locked room on its own was not considered secure storage. As stated in the relevant evidence of the judgement:
The guns in issue were housed in metal cabinets in a locked bedroom.

The judgement reads:

I find that the cabinets in which the defendant's prohibited firearms were stored fall within the definition of a safe. Both of the lockers in which the prohibited firearms were stored were made of steel. Each cabinet was securely locked: one by a key and a padlock; the other by a locking system that uses a key to unbolt rods in the door from the frame of the unit. Indeed, despite their disagreement on other issues, the Crown and the defence expert both accepted that the units were securely locked. The Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was non-compliance with the regulation. The charges are dismissed.

http://firearmslaw.ca/wp-content/upl...-Judgement.pdf

Incidently, I noticed in reading the judgement that a person called upon as an expert for the defence, referenced the same NFA article, "Safe Storage Of Non-Restricted Firearms", that I have previously quoted from. That being the case, it would seem that the information the NFA presented has merit in a court.

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Originally Posted by delmer

The heart of the issue in the Johnny Sombrero case was whether a padlocked school locker constituted secure storage. Since the lockers in question were already in a locked bedroom, it is evident that this locked room on its own was not considered secure storage. As stated in the relevant evidence of the judgement:
The guns in issue were housed in metal cabinets in a locked bedroom.

The judgement reads:

I find that the cabinets in which the defendant's prohibited firearms were stored fall within the definition of a safe. Both of the lockers in which the prohibited firearms were stored were made of steel. Each cabinet was securely locked: one by a key and a padlock; the other by a locking system that uses a key to unbolt rods in the door from the frame of the unit. Indeed, despite their disagreement on other issues, the Crown and the defence expert both accepted that the units were securely locked. The Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was non-compliance with the regulation. The charges are dismissed.

http://firearmslaw.ca/wp-content/upl...-Judgement.pdf

Incidently, I noticed in reading the judgement that a person called upon as an expert for the defence, referenced the same NFA article, "Safe Storage Of Non-Restricted Firearms", that I have previously quoted from. That being the case, it would seem that the information the NFA presented has merit in a court.

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The kindly Judge did us a huge service with that ruling. Now,let's just hope that it stays that way.

This is direct from the " CDN. FIREARMS CENTER "

Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms
5 (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is

(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

Display of Non-Restricted Firearms
8 An individual may display a non-restricted firearm only if it

(a) is unloaded;

(b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device or is in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.

There have been cases of individuals charged with unsafe storage, but there may have been other circumstances involved, and also some overzealous cops have charged owners with same only to have these cases thrown out or discharged because of lack of knowledge by the cops in laying these charges.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Mike Hargreaves, ring a bell??

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Charges dropped in Mike Hargreaves unsafe storage case ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/.../charges...nsafe_storage/
Feb 24, 2014 - CGN is buzzing on news that the Crown after 11 years has finally decided not to pursue the unsafe storage charges against Mike...

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That IS a locked container,therefore,it's storage as defined,not "display". Ammo may also be stored with them inside the locked container. As you cited,needing a "tool" (anything used as a tool) to break into a container negates the "easily broken into" clause of the storage regs. The OP is GTG as is.

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Please read the RCMP link, if you can see them then they are displayed, if you take out the glass and put in a piece of plywood they are stored, not worth my energy going over this, that is why I posted the link, it has all of the details there, anything more feel free to call the RCMP.

There was another poster asking about pulling the bullets and powder, essentially dumb rounds, it is possible but not with the guns I wanted in a shadow box, rimfire.