Just heard that about Remngton. We'll see what happens. For now I'll avoid them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Useless
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Just heard that about Remngton. We'll see what happens. For now I'll avoid them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Useless
Thanks for the offer Jerry. I have a red dot thats collecting dust in my gun cabinet too... LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerryklimczuk
At this point most my rifles have iron sights. The 300wm is really the only one scoped.
I'm leaning more towards the Mossberg because its already tapped for a scope if I so choose one day. They do have a kit with two barrels. One is a smooth bore for turkey and the other is rifled for waterfowl. Im thinking I could use the rifled barrel with slugs. Just remove the choke. Any thoughts on that?
Beyond that I may just get two shotguns. Get a turkey gun now and save my pennies for a slug gun in the fall.
I have an 870 cantilevered barrel with a shotgun scope on it. Good out to 100 meters with about a tea cup plate group. My wife shoots 20 ga, smooth barrel with rifled slugs and she is just as good out to 60ish meters. All I can suggest is practice makes perfect, sounds like you guys are setup for it so start sending lead down range and get comfortable with your equipment and skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
Fyi, gave up the red dot because I could dial in long shots. I like a bit of magnification.
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I'm on my second Mossberg 835 3 1/2"pump. I gave the first 2 barrel set to my son. It had a turkey barrel and an open sighted rifled barrel.
My second one is a camo job with 3 barrels ... waterfowl with 3 choke tubes. a turkey barrel with fiber optic sights and an aftermarket turkey choke tube. and a cantilever rifled slug barrel.
I really like the gun a lot. It has killed whatever I point it at. That 3 1/2" is deadly but every time it goes off something dies and something gets hurt!
I think Jerry was speaking to Snowwalker with the offer of the red dot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Boiler
Yup I think he was too. But since Karen is really into her O/U right now, I will pass on the loan of the red dot right now. I may put one on the 870 for myself. Getting harder to see both the barrel and bird at the same time.. Doc says a few more years I may have almost 20/20 vision again..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Damn! Got squirrelled again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
When you say " something gets hurt", are you referring to your shoulder?Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
I prefer to shoot my 10 gauge 3 1/2 inch, instead of any 12 gauge in 3 1/2 inch , "big ouch"
The old 12ga10ga argument comes up again ��
Who is arguing? I am just saying that I prefer my 10 gauge over a 12 gauge 3 1/2 inch .Quote:
Originally Posted by Thymallus
Ever wonder why there are many more 12 gauge 3 1/2 inch shotguns for sale. on this forum and at gun shows .
But here is something very interesting if you care to read .
The Disadvantages of the 3-1/2 inch Twelve Gauge Shell
By Randy Wakeman
There are several readily understood disadvantages to a 3-1/2 inch chamber in an autoloader or pump. Here are some of them.
1) Weaker receiver. Anytime you have a larger then necessary ejection port, you weaken the receiver commensurate with the amount of additional metal removed.
2) Longer, heavier receiver. To accommodate 3-1/2 inch shells, the receiver is longer and heavier than otherwise necessary, as is the shell elevator, links, mainspring tube, etc. The shell elevator and associated springs must be heavier to move around a heavier object, the loaded shell itself. Contingent on the model, loading through the bottom of the receiver can be clumsy, finger-pinching, or a bit of both.
3) Slower cycling. It is a matter of distance: the bolt most travel rearward half of an inch farther during the ejection sequence, then must again travel and additional half of an inch forward to return to battery. It indicates a slower-cycling autoloader and a slower to shuck pump.
4) Heavier than necessary barrel. Only the 3-1/2 inch 12 gauge shell deviates substantially from SAAMI standard 12 gauge 11,500 PSI MAP pressure at 14,000 PSI MAP. With the approximately 22% rise in allowable working pressures, the barrel must necessarily be thicker and heavier to accommodate the higher working pressure. (See the list at the bottom of this article. Note the much higher pressure of 3-1/2 inch 12 gauge compared to the 10 gauge (also a 3-1/2 inch shell).
5) Recoil is far beyond what most shooters can tolerate in standard weight hunting guns. No one can do their best shooting with a shell that kicks more. Heavy recoil promotes flinching. In addition, heavy recoil can, over time damage the human body in several ways, including joint damage, eye damage and brain damage. (Each shot can cause a mini-concussion, similar to a boxer taking a clean shot.)
6) Thicker, heavier components subject to recoil. When shooting 3-1/2 inch shells, for example the common 2 ounce 1300 fps lead load, your shotgun and its stock are subjected to higher levels of stress, shock and vibration than they would be with lower recoil 2-3/4 inch, or even three inch shells. All parts of the system are punished by the additional shock and must be made heavier and stronger to accommodate the higher shock levels. The bent mainspring tubes and cracked bolt buffers that have plagued many models get far more stress from 3-1/2 inch shells.
7) Patterning of standard length shells is degraded when fired in 3-1/2 inch chambers. Folks such as Browning have published their findings that pattern percentage improvement of ten percent or so is experienced when the unfolded shell length matches the chamber length.
8) Longer shot column than standard length shells. To pack a 10 gauge Magnum shot load into a smaller diameter 12 gauge shell, the shot column becomes extraordinarily long and therefore inefficient. Short shot columns pattern better, putting more killing pellets on target.
9) A shotgun that is designed for 3-1/2 inch shells isn't as compact, responsive, or as intuitive to operate as it would be if the action was designed around standard length shells.
SAAMI Shotshell Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) in PSI
· 10 gauge: 11,000
· 12 gauge (except 3-1/2"): 11,500
· 12 gauge 3-1/2": 14,000
· 16 gauge: 11,500
· 20 Gauge: 12,000
· 28 gauge: 12,500
· .410 Bore 2-1/2": 12,500
· .410 Bore 3": 13,500