Handgun hunting for small game

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

So what is written on page 23 of the General Regulation seems to imply that the game laws do not forbid the use of handguns for hunting....

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That's what it seems to say. "Not handguns that are restricted or prohibited" implies that it's the restricted/prohibited status and not the handgun-ness that matters.

But again, the regs summary isn't the law. The law is the law and there's a lot of it. ;)

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Do you recall what year that ended? I have been trying to find that out. I suspect it probably ended in 1971 when the government brought in handgun registration and that is the year my father no longer was required to carry a sidearm at the bank or was that in 1973?

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Registration has been in place long before 1971, but, my understanding is that handgun hunting ended in 1971 when Pierre Trudeau brought in the War Measures Act because of the FLQ crisis. No permits to carry for "hunting" were issued after that. If anyone knows more please add to this. I have seen a customer's permit he had for 1970.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

So what is written on page 23 of the General Regulation seems to imply that the game laws do not forbid the use of handguns for hunting. It is only their classification as restricted and prohibited that take them off the table for such use. So as the C.O. has point out antique handguns because they are not classified as restricted or prohibited can be legitimately used for hunting small game. To state the obvious if you are allowing the use of these type of handguns for use in hunting, it make little scene to forbid the use of restricted handguns for the same use. A handgun is a handgun regardless of the manner in which it loaded.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Here is where you need to watch it.

These are not just handguns, they are 120 year old handguns at minimum.

If you say a handgun is a handgun is a handgun then you will have the rules changed to have every single handgun considered restricted or prohibited, no matter if it is a relic from the civil war era or one made last week. This is the same argument with semi auto, if every semi auto is the same as every other semi auto and some are restricted then it is the same logic for making them all restricted as making none of them restricted.

The thing is that the head CO here does not have any clue what the rules actually are, you also still write that it does not matter how it is loaded, but antique DOES NOT restrict someone to a muzzle loading handgun, it restricts based on age.

There are 41 Long Colt handguns out there that are made before 1898 and shoot a cartridge that you can very easily reload for and tons of Webley pistols loaded in 455 Webley that still have factory ammo made for them by Fiocchi that were manufactured before 1898.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/01/df/b...-hand-guns.jpg

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-...Right-Side.jpg

http://w.mawebcenters.com/static/eco...com-110-37.jpg

https://picturearchive.gunauction.co...91979a28c7.jpg

These all have antique status if proven to have been manufactured early enough.

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Originally Posted by Stu

Registration has been in place long before 1971, but, my understanding is that handgun hunting ended in 1971 when Pierre Trudeau brought in the War Measures Act because of the FLQ crisis. No permits to carry for "hunting" were issued after that. If anyone knows more please add to this. I have seen a customer's permit he had for 1970.

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I know that in 1964 my grandma could not outright buy a pistol for my grandpa, she was friends with the local police chief and she bought it for him, he was a bush pilot, and the police officer brought it from the store out to the house on Christmas morning for him.

Not sure what the laws on registration and licensing were but there was something, I still have the paperwork from the original sale :D

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Originally Posted by welsh

Remember that the regulations summary is not the law, or the regulations.

I'm not sure if this is actually in the FWCA itself.

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Does it not mean that it "Is The Summary of The Law and Regulations " ! as this is what the CO,s go by for quick reference when they point out a violation.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Does it not mean that it "Is The Summary of The Law and Regulations " ! as this is what the CO,s go by for quick reference when they point out a violation.

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No,there's a clear disclaimer in the first three pages of The Summary that states "This is a guide only and should not be regarded as a legal document" or some such wording. Everyone should know to consult the actual wording of The FWCAct AND pertaining Ontario Regulations as written. The devil is in the details. :rolleye:

A handgun is a handgun, if an antique handgun can be legitimately used for hunting. There is no reason in God's earth for the government to deny the use of other handguns for hunting. It might even provide the impetus to turn around the underground trafficking of handguns that is currently plaguing our larger urban center. What is needed, to off set that circumstance, is the expansion of the legitimate retailing of handguns to a community of hunters, that is both law-abiding and trained in their safe and proper use, in what maybe described as a viable recreational activity. Hey, this is one of the arguments being offered to support the legalization of marijuana. It seems reasonable if it works for legitimizing the use of the weed, it should also be applicable to the use of handguns for hunting.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

No,there's a clear disclaimer in the first three pages of The Summary that states "This is a guide only and should not be regarded as a legal document" or some such wording. Everyone should know to consult the actual wording of The FWCAct AND pertaining Ontario Regulations as written. The devil is in the details. :rolleye:

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However, a Summary is ;
sum·ma·ry
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noun
1.
a brief statement or account of the main points of something.

in this case it is the summary of the main points of the law as it pertains to hunting and the regulations .

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

A handgun is a handgun, if an antique handgun can be legitimately used for hunting. There is no reason in God's earth for the government to deny the use of other handguns for hunting. It might even provide the impetus to turn around the underground trafficking of handguns that is currently plaguing our larger urban center. What is needed, to off set that circumstance, is the expansion of the legitimate retailing of handguns to a community of hunters, that is both law-abiding and trained in their safe and proper use, in what maybe described as a viable recreational activity. Hey, this is one of the arguments being offered to support the legalization of marijuana. It seems reasonable if it works for legitimizing the use of the weed, it should also be applicable to the use of handguns for hunting.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Why don't you take this argument up with the Government and the powers that be?

First paragraph on page 1
"This is a summary of information dealing with hunting licenses and hunting laws. This summary is neither a legal document nor a complete collection of the regulations."

Cheers