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Originally Posted by fishermccann

'DPA's were put into law to avoid harming parties that aren't directly responsible for wrongdoing. To prevent harm to innocent stakeholders, that could include employees and pensioners', says Richard Lablanc, law and ethics professor at York Uni..... Seems like it did what it was supposed to. Harper was in power when SNC broke all those laws , so maybe they knew that the Libs would form the next government and help them out. LOL

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Yes DPA's were put into law to avoid harming parties that aren't directly responsible for wrongdoing. However; you left out some conditions that qualifies a company for consideration of a DPA. Please note the term consideration. It isn't a guarantee that a DPA is offered even if the conditions are still met.

One big condition is "accept responsibility for, and stop, their wrongdoing". I have never once read anywhere in the media that SNC has accepted responsibility for their criminal acts. SNC has been doing dirty business for a while so it doesn't look like they were interested in stopping any wrongdoing. If their lobbying was effective to get the PMO to try to influence the AG to meddle in a criminal case when the prosecutors didn't offer them a DPA, please explain to me why SNC and the PMO shouldn't be facing obstruction of justice charges? I will help you a bit, jobs isn't anywhere near a good enough reason.

The PM and Liberals have been beating on the jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs drum. They quote 9000 jobs (the entirety of Canadian workers) will be lost and SNC will move out of Canada. Looking at SNC, they had a $15.2 billion backlog of work at the end of June 2018 (plus other contracts out) (http://www.snclavalin.com/en/media/p...ults-2018.aspx). That work will have to be finished per contract demands which means people won't be losing their jobs outright tomorrow if SNC doesn't get a DPA. Furthermore, if SNC wants to move their business from Canada to another country, they would have to make a public announcement under the securities laws here in Canada in order to warn investors/future investors about potential losses to their stocks. So far all the news I have ever heard about an move was from the PM/Liberals saying SNC told him/them they may move. This is not a public announcement by the company so it is just smoke and mirrors by the federal government to try to defend what they did.

No one made SNC allegedly break the law. They allegedly did that on their own. If they are found guilty, they won't be starved of work, they will still be able to bid on private company contracts but not Canadian government ones. They have a very good minerals and metals division here in Toronto (I interviewed for a mechanical design job there a few years ago) whose main source of revenue is private contracts. The beating of the jobs drum doesn't fly well because there is no truth to it.

Will some jobs be affected? Sure. Will every person employed by SNC be issued a pink slip if a DPA isn't offered? No. Even if everyone lost their job tomorrow because of this, they would find work because they are very skilled individuals. Direct action by a government to save jobs isn't a door we want to open. I recognize Harper did it with the auto sector even though the direct action was supposed to be structured as a loan. I don't think the government should have given a red cent to the auto industry but my explanation would pull the thread off-topic.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

'DPA's were put into law to avoid harming parties that aren't directly responsible for wrongdoing. To prevent harm to innocent stakeholders, that could include employees and pensioners', says Richard Lablanc, law and ethics professor at York Uni..... Seems like it did what it was supposed to. Harper was in power when SNC broke all those laws , so maybe they knew that the Libs would form the next government and help them out. LOL

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You do realize that SNC has laid off more than 50% of the Canadian work force in the last 6+ years, none of this is to save jobs, the jobs will all be disappearing anyway.

In 2011, Stephen Harper sold AECL-and the CANDU nuclear technology Canada spent billions developing to - SNC-Lavalin for 15 M. But the deal ended up costing the government over 2 B. The sale was for 15 million, and the Harper government promised SNC up to 75 million to complete development of a new reactor called Enhanced CANDU 6. The federal government also agreed to cover liabilities related to both the Point Lepreau and Bruce power stations- at a cost of at least $2 billion. At he time Harper cut this deal with SNC-Lavalin- an asset deal that cost over $2 billion- the company was allegedly paying the Gaddafi family almost $50 million in exchange for billions of dollars in airport, pipeline, and water infrastructure projects. I guess Harper didn't notice or care that during the 2001-2011 period SNC had: Been barred from bidding on Asian Development Bank projects for fabricating qualifications and documents (2004). : settled corruption allegations with the African Development Bank over bribes in Mozambique (2008) and Uganda (2010). : Bribed Canadian officials with $22.5 million in relation to a McGill Hospital contract (2009) :Been credibly found by the World Bank as participating in high-level corruption in Bangladesh in 2009-2010, and entered into a voluntary debarment from World Bank financed projects.: Entered into a voluntary agreement to compensate seven Quebec municipalities for obtaining contracts through questionable means (1996-2011). : Made illegal federal election campaign donations (2004-2011) entering into a voluntary compliance agreement with the federal elections commissioner. All facts that are easily confirmed. Discuss.....

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

In 2011, Stephen Harper sold AECL-and the CANDU nuclear technology Canada spent billions developing to - SNC-Lavalin for 15 M. But the deal ended up costing the government over 2 B. The sale was for 15 million, and the Harper government promised SNC up to 75 million to complete development of a new reactor called Enhanced CANDU 6. The federal government also agreed to cover liabilities related to both the Point Lepreau and Bruce power stations- at a cost of at least $2 billion. At he time Harper cut this deal with SNC-Lavalin- an asset deal that cost over $2 billion- the company was allegedly paying the Gaddafi family almost $50 million in exchange for billions of dollars in airport, pipeline, and water infrastructure projects. I guess Harper didn't notice or care that during the 2001-2011 period SNC had: Been barred from bidding on Asian Development Bank projects for fabricating qualifications and documents (2004). : settled corruption allegations with the African Development Bank over bribes in Mozambique (2008) and Uganda (2010). : Bribed Canadian officials with $22.5 million in relation to a McGill Hospital contract (2009) :Been credibly found by the World Bank as participating in high-level corruption in Bangladesh in 2009-2010, and entered into a voluntary debarment from World Bank financed projects.: Entered into a voluntary agreement to compensate seven Quebec municipalities for obtaining contracts through questionable means (1996-2011). : Made illegal federal election campaign donations (2004-2011) entering into a voluntary compliance agreement with the federal elections commissioner. All facts that are easily confirmed. Discuss.....

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OK.

1. You seem to confuse public procurement processes, with that of government Departments. The "Harper Government" was in power at the time. They however, didn't sign the cheques, and said processes were still under the scrutiny of the various government bodies. So, NO, "Harper" cut no deal. They were the Government in power when some poor procurement decisions were made.

2. SNCL is well known for it's issues with poor ethics, through Chretien, Martin, Harper, etc. It is not the nature of the beast that is at issue. It is the interference in a judicial process, over a criminal matter .

But please do continue with your "whataboutism".

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/snc...risk-1.5047248

They will just lay everyone off anyway, get away with bribery on the international stage and move all the jobs out of Canada, all facts and easily confirmed, Trudeau has no justification for his poor attempt at speaking.

Discuss.....

The Quebec public service union is a huge holder of SNC stock. The host/parasite relationship is pretty clear.

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Originally Posted by terrym

The Quebec public service union is a huge holder of SNC stock. The host/parasite relationship is pretty clear.

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Even with that 41% of QC residents want to see SNC have a real trial.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ents-1.5048832

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Originally Posted by terrym

The Quebec public service union is a huge holder of SNC stock. The host/parasite relationship is pretty clear.

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Given that every aspect of Quebec government is corrupt from the top down,it's easy to be very cynical that even if any charges are laid and prosecutions commenced,it'll all be "for show" with the usual politicians pointing fingers and generating sound bytes for political gain with the net result still being a big,fat ZERO.

Things that should cause anyone to pause, ponder and then go “hhhhmmm”.

Since it all began SNC has gone full throttle pressing the Cdn Govt.

There were or have been illegal contributions to the Liberal Party.

Since JT came to power the Trudeau foundation has flourished, awash in money. SNC has kindly donated a lot.

Between the lobbying, contributions etc. In any other world that would be called bribery.......

They have, are threatening to move their head office if they don’t get a DPA. In any other world that is called extortion........

Would seem to this person they haven’t changed.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

'DPA's were put into law to avoid harming parties that aren't directly responsible for wrongdoing. To prevent harm to innocent stakeholders, that could include employees and pensioners', says Richard Lablanc, law and ethics professor at York Uni..... Seems like it did what it was supposed to. Harper was in power when SNC broke all those laws , so maybe they knew that the Libs would form the next government and help them out. LOL

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I say Trudope should just drop the law and publically state he's okay working with corrupt companies. Instead of beating around the bush, and treating us all like idiots ... just say the truth. It's soooo simple. What is the point of having a law that excludes corrupt companies from bidding on government contracts, when you have another law that in essence nullifies it? It's stupid ... you either have the law, or you don't.

It's a crappy situation, yes there will be innocent by-standards ... but what about the innocent TAXPAYERS that are paying for all of this ... they are stealing OUR money. So are we okay sticking it to the taxpayers, but not okay with the few at SNC who will be hurt from this? Who decides what is the right thing to do? Trudope?? Give me a break ... that's why this needs to go to court. We can't just make the SNC employee the victim here. Besides probably most of those guys will be mopped up by other CANADIAN companies. There are many good Canadian Engineering companies ... we act like SNC is the only one ... NO they are NOT.

The business will land in the hands of more ethical companies. The employees will move to more ethical companies. You need to make an example here, so it doesn't happen again, at least not in the short term, and not ever by any ethical company.

This is about Trudope protecting his votes in Montreal. Period. He's willing to be Judge and Jury for his own little selfish purpose. It's sickening.